Jane 17/08/21:
Been thinking about this… 🙂
To me a psychosis and a psychodrama seem to be very similar and like a period of uncontrollable energy. I think that the difference with a major Kundalini episode is that energy surges through the body not just the mind with the goal being an activation of the chakras and expansion of consciousness. I don’t think that happens in cases of the classic psychotic episode?
I know that you, my friend, and I all had that same psychological experiences in common in mind regarding the archetypes like illuminati, masons, sexual abuse and good v evil stuff. I now fully understand my own psycho spiritual experience of my path including psychodramas and concepts regarding the archetypal tests. I also got the view with my friend’s personal experience as well as having access to his medical records….I similarly got a personal account with the medical professionals perspective from the documents you show in your videos.
When I read your personal account I could completely and fully relate to every word you say. When I compare experiences as in psychosis v Kundalini activation psychodrama, you had very similar experiences to mine and was on the same level of being sanity challenged as I was 🙂
When I think about my 40 day and night Kundalini spiritual psychodrama event and read your own I understand that had I been living in the world trying to work unable to hide it from those around me my thoughts if expressed and behaviour would have raised serious mental health concerns too. I only dealt with people for brief periods of time and quickly learned to keep my mouth shut! I had absolutely no idea what was going on. I honestly don’t know how you dealt with it as well as you did? But I do understand why the experience is seen as a mental “psychosis” in the Matrix mind level of current limited psychiatric understanding. I find it funny that under observation the spontaneous body movements alone that I was put through would have been seen from an external view as some sort of exorcism scenes! Lol.
It was a batshit crazy time for me too. I came to understand the archetypes as concepts of consciousness on the path but it was the fact that completely separately and independently my friend, you and I had the exact same challenges in that archetypal inner realm.
Laz 20/08/21:
It certainly seems we did. Those are like some ancient genetic memories that surface as tests, like you say.
Jane 17/08/21:
Our minds encountered almost the same things! That suggests to me that these were shared in the western collective realms of consciousness?
Laz 20/08/21:
Why do you say western? Once i finally had a grip on my situation i realised that it boiled down to levels of good vs evil, and evil was simply the root of the psychodramas 🙂 Christianity may express evil differently to say Hinduism, but it’s not the west where it originated.
Jane 21/08/21:
Yes I agree with that, I think I saw it as western because of the illuminati/masons theme but as you say the same concepts would be there for all cultures.
Jane 17/08/21:
The shared collective made sense to me when I learned about the same objects and patterns being used in cultures all around the world that had never had any contact with each other, e.g. the pyramids built by multiple cultures.
Some people believe aliens were responsible for such widespread phenomena, I think it was the shamanic type minds tapping into transcendental realms? The difference as I see it between the psychotic episode in a mental health breakdown and a spiritual emergence is the outcome and is dependent on the human mind that is subjectively experiencing it. The well known “messiah complex” within the spiritual and mental delusion is recognised in both! Yet to me the fact is that people are supposedly evolving towards Christ consciousness yet when a consciousness gets a taste of that as an experience instead of being assessed for its origin or psychologically processed and assimilated it is automatically deemed delusional, wrong and shut down!
Laz 20/08/21:
Yes, in this current time frame, being a Christian is considered mental. Anything that goes beyond that, even if one claims to be able to talk to god directly (which goes against modern Christianity) is instantly put in the looney bin category. Science however is just another religion. Just look at our own government in recent months touting “Follow the science”, “Trust the science”, “The science is settled”. Only thing is, these statements are of belief and go directly against the scientific method.
Jane 21/08/21:
Yes it has all become a big joke! Experts presented are no longer experts…lmao. So called facts can be manipulated to fit any narrative or agenda and presented in such a way that discernment is almost impossible.
Jane 17/08/21:
When according to the teachings, Christ consciousness is supposed to be a level where people are in the world but not of the world (A higher vibration.) That is what it teaches in religions including in the bible. David Hawkins was right when he said that in order to find enlightenment one has to have literally lost their mind. I would agree that temporarily that is exactly what has to happen!
If I had to describe my “psychotic” episode I would describe it as….A Kundalini energy induced psychotic episode as a spiritual process that went on for months and ended for me personally on my own path in transcendence of my conscious mind out of the ordinary world.
Laz 20/08/21:
For me it was realising the truth of our human experience. Everyone is more mentally unstable than us, but that pyschosis is accepted/expected of people.
Jane 21/08/21:
I agree in fact I don’t think there are many people in the world that do not have some kind of psychological issues. Most are stored deep down in the subconscious so many are not even aware of them yet their lives are controlled by them.
Laz 21/08/21:
I hope that deep down they feel and know that something isn’t right, but they do not have the “power” stored up to do anything about it and are too embarrassed/afraid of stepping out of line from the herd to say anything about it.
Jane 23/08/21:
Yes it can be out of embarrassment or fear of being labelled themselves. It is very often those self righteous who ridicule others that cannot admit to having any psychological problems themselves!
Laz 20/08/21:
Ours are frowned upon simply because they go against the main narrative. Logic of course does not feature in the narrative, and nor does personal responsibility, and simply the order of the day is “do as you are told” even if it contradicts the last order.
Jane 17/08/21:
A period of no sleep experiencing a differently perceived world to the one I was normally used to functioning in, almost like an overlaid alternate reality in which I was made to believe stuff that was not real but it seems whatever was necessary via the mental constructs of psychological psychodramas in order to overcome the archetypes and undergo testing of my mind, complete with traps for impressing and tempting the ego. At least that is how it felt to me 🙂
Laz 20/08/21:
Yes, me too 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
When you think about it if others could pre warn us of the tests we must face and overcome, would that help us on our paths or could it possibly rob us of the opportunity of those very tests?
Laz 20/08/:21
I don’t know if it would or if it matters, knowing you must face the essence of yourself doesn’t make it easier to do what is right when it counts. I could maybe argue you wouldn’t face a test until you are ready for it, like the divine order of the universe wouldn’t put you in for an A level maths exam until you’d had training before hand 🙂 Doesn’t mean you’ll pass though.
Jane 21/08/2!:
You don’t need to argue the point, I agree with you 🙂 I have not been able to openly discuss things with anyone before so I am still making sense of it myself 🙂
Jane 20/08/21:
No one knows another’s tests or what karma they may be dealing with and need to process? It was interesting to me looking at the facts and the reason for our personal matrix life triggers that set up our major breakdowns/breakthroughs. I do notice it says in your medical records that yours was triggered by your pressured situation, stress and sleep deprivation, would you agree with that?
Laz 20/08/21:
Sort of, like I say in the video, they weren’t writing down what I was telling them, but filtering it and writing that down instead. Kundalini never even reaches the edge of the paper:
So pressured situation = work colleagues bullying me to not do my job, and to go against morality.
Stress = implied threats from an organized bunch of evil doers (organisation irrelevant, even though I was trying to figure it out)
Sleep deprivation = the early stages of an activated Kundalini.
Jane 21/08/21:
That was a huge pressure to deal with 🙁
I don’t think I have ever read a psychiatric report where what was said is accurately recorded. It’s always like their own version from a different reality almost. It is like a degree of selective hearing, where you wonder were you in the same room even
Jane 17/08/21:
I have worked in mental health as well as had personal experience so I get it (see things) from both sides so from the medical profession’s perspective I see the understandable ignorance because I have been on that side too. (Forgive them for they know not what they do 🙂
Have you ever felt any judgement or stigma from others because of your mental health? Thankfully I think it is becoming more accepted and understood now it is becoming more prevalent.
Laz 20/08/21:
Oh yes and I believe that was what ultimately lead the company at the time to make me redundant. Plus my wife doesn’t consider me equal to my former self, even though I am stronger now as a result.
Jane 21/08/21:
What do you mean by consider you equal? Do you mean the same as before? Does Ali maybe feel she lost a part of you? My family lost me a whole lot of me. When these things happen of course it changes us, I think we become an improved version of ourselves despite the perceptions of others.
Laz 21/08/21:
So she tends to look down upon me as inferior to her, because I had in The Matrix a mental health issue. I let it go because I know it is not true and it it is the NPC expectations of the world that push this view on everyone.
Jane 23/08/21:
Absolutely not true! I am glad you know that. It is in the delusional herd superiority complex. It actually stems from and is projected by their own insecurities. It is bizarre how people perceive others through that veil of assumptions and misperceptions. I can absolutely agree that it does make us different, but not in any inferior way in fact the opposite. not that we are superior to other people but more evolved shall we say 🙂
Do you think it could be a case of overprotection from misperception? I’ve experienced that from my lot.
Laz 23/08/21:
No, I think it is a fear of mental illness and a perception of society that people are not able to cope with the world if they have a mental break and are less than the rest as a result.
Jane 23/08/21:
Does Ali overcompensate with a mother/teacher mentality, does she try to treat you like a child?
Laz 23/08/21:
No, not like a child, but if you are familiar with the Men are from Mars, Women from Venus books, then she is the home improvement committee!
Jane 23/08/21:
I googled it and get the gist of the books but don’t understand your reference to the home improvement committee? Lol.
Laz 23/08/21:
So the home improvement committee is a chapter in the first book, and it documents how some women think they are helping by always trying to make things “better” and often it has the opposite effect to that intended in the relationship.
So for example we had a leaking pipe over the weekend, and I bought some leak stopping tape and fixed it. Ali afterwards was like “what are going to do about a proper fix? Should I call a plumber?” and this could be seen as upsetting as I had just fixed the problem, and got no praise. Incidentally it is a long term fix, and not something that holds until a plumber can do a proper job 🙂
Jane 23/08/21:
Do you feel there is respect in your relationship ?
Laz 23/08/21:
Mostly yes, while she will not admit her weaknesses, she’ll defer to me in situations where she knows I am more capable.
Jane 23/08/21:
Would you want to go back to being your old self again, but not because of the reasons Ali thinks?
Laz 23/08/21:
Pre-Kundalini, no way 🙂
Laz 21/08/21:
But I gather “power” form these interactions and it doesn’t bother me. I would say that I am not the same as before, but not because of the reasons Ali thinks, and I would say that she does feel she lost a part of me.
That nefarious ego that wanted things for me at the expense of others. I honestly think people don’t know how to deal with the egoless and can’t accept that losing your ego is even possible. So they play ego games with you and provoke, only to find they do not get the response they wanted, thus they fall back to mental health explanations!
Jane 23/08/21:
It really is a strange one, egos can only see power as coming from itself. The greatest illusion. As I have said previously people see weakness in having no self will but it’s the opposite.
Laz 23/08/21:
Yes it is 🙂
Jane 23/08/21:
If people realised the power they give away just by having an ego it would blow their minds. There is more courage and strength in the little finger of an egoless person than those who are controlled by their egos.
Laz 23/08/21:
I recently also came to the conclusion that evil is actually weakness. It’s spirit comes about through people not doing what they should, so the worst happens. It is like they say “there are no bad people only bad deeds”, I don’t think people are really wanting to do bad (in the most part) but are through weakness forced into those positions and don’t feel they have the strength to say “no” so they carry out the evil spirit.
Wickedness really should be forgiven and the people treated with compassion, in prison (they still must pay the penalty). I think if strength of conviction is not used for punishment of some sort, then that is in itself weakness, and not compassion, but look after them in jail, no torture or bad conditions.
Jane 23/08/21:
I am completely with you, people in prison should be understood, rehabilitated and treated humanely. I think the fact that prison sentences are automatically halved in this country doesn’t make any sense. I also agree that post punishment forgiveness is the order, but people like the media will not forgive and some will hound people when they have served their time and continue to refer to them as evil.
I have been watching some segments on free speech on the new news channel GBNews, where they openly discuss things like the cancel culture, herd mentality and new obsessions with things like gender pronouns and the discussions themselves become so difficult due to the multi layers of idiocracy on the perceptions of the subjects themselves. When they get down to the crux it can end up being shown to be nonsensical for rational debate even for those they will refer to as “the adults in the room” lol. It’s funny. It is like idiocracy within the idiocracy 😀
Jane 23/08/2!:
When you think about the difference in vibrational energies given off between the two there really is no comparison. It’s a really strange fact that when we have no egoic materialistic wants it can kind of piss people off! We go right back to basics from where we recognise the difference between superficial wants in the world and genuine needs.
When people display a superiority towards others about anything to me I always tell them to be very careful in the ways that they think because karma can be a bitch! What goes around, comes around. I once told my old GP that when I suspected that he was not believing me or listening to me. Arrogance, as with all such egoic behaviours just doesn’t wash with me. I always find the bigger the ego the harder they fall.
Laz 23/08/21:
Two recent examples: Matt Hancock, Andrew Cuomo! More to follow I think.
Jane 23/08/21:
I think you are absolutely right. Truth will always surface. Many more of them to come. The equality act on things like sexual harassment did not even come into law until around 2010! The west thinks it is so superior, progressive and evolved but it actually isn’t.
Jane 23/08/21:
That power is also there as a kind of confidence and fearlessness when you can genuinely find humour in things that ordinarily would cause fear.
Laz 23/08/21:
Agree, they hate to be ridiculed! It’s also fun to show them real confidence in an area of expertise that they claim to have but don’t know nearly as much as you, true confidence is mastery of a skill, not the pretense of vague hand waving platitudes that sort of sound like you know the gist of something. When I was auditing people I’d call them on their bullshit all the time and they got mad at me for tearing down their illusion. Often anger is the last line of defence with these types as they try to stop you revealing the truth.
Jane 23/08/21:
Humour is a vital part of self mastery. Including the ability to laugh at yourself. To me mind shields are self empowerment where source once again provides the security. they play ego games with you and provoke, only to find they do not get the response they wanted, thus the fall back to mental health.
You cannot reason with some people so could this be a classic move on fearing losing the upper hand in an argument? Once we can see the folly “Lower dimensional minds do not have the ability or capacity to comprehend higher dimensional truth”. My quote 🙂
Laz 23/08/21:
I love it 🙂
Jane 21/08/21:
I think it changes us in ways that others find confusing due to their expectations of us? I know that I became a different person but I also know that was my path and source’s will for me. I also think the strength we attain is not the of the type others can see or value? Ours are frowned upon simply because they go against the main narrative.
Laz 21/08/21:
Isn’t it weird, it’s like they all have mass Stockholm Syndrome 😀
Jane 21/08/21:
Logic of course does not feature in the narrative, When you cut your own path then it is like going where no-one has gone before, there is no known narrative because we are creating it as we go along. It is for this very reason that such paths are unknown and as such yes frowned upon. But let them frown until their faces get stuck, it has no effect on me 🙂
Laz 20/08/21:
Mental Health still carries a lot of weight when it comes to marking someone out as unworthy, and in society (no matter all of the education and advertising) it is in a completely different category from someone breaking their back and recovering! While I wouldn’t change a thing, it certainly shows why people shy away from this area of their own lives. And they fail to realise their own mental condition 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
My family were pretty oblivious to my experiences but I have since actually made a big point in telling my family that I have experienced actual mental health problems including my psychosis. I don’t care about being labelled I have absolutely no shame in that because I have no illusional pride to defend. I know it sounds bizarre but there is a world of difference between a crazy psychosis and a sanity breakthrough psychosis.
I wonder if the difference is that despite how crazy things can seem to get, it is the case that in the latter there is an overall observer part of the conscious mind that is completely sane! It was interesting to me looking at the facts and the reason for our personal Matrix life triggers that set up our major breakdowns/breakthroughs. I do notice it says in your medical records that yours was triggered by your situation, stress and sleep deprivation, would you agree with that?
Can I ask you from a male perspective what affect becoming a parent of two babies under the personal circumstances you was dealing with had on you? I ask because from a female perspective I had a hard time transitioning to the responsibility of parenthood with just one child. It hit me like a ton of bricks! In fact the impact on me was so extreme that I demanded that I was sterilised when she was just 14 months old! Lol.
Laz 20/08/21:
At first it was emboldening, it was an accomplishment that felt like I had achieved my aim in life. Secondly it was a responsibility not only to preserve life, but also to educate fairly and nurture the upbringing of these two. Lastly it was bloody hard work dealing with a crying toddler, a baby that won’t sleep, a wife who can’t cope, and a job that persecutes! So, post birth probably similar to yourself without the feeding, although I did a fair amount of bottle feeding as Ali couldn’t breast feed them.
Jane 21/08/21:
So, those conditions sound difficult enough individually. This epitomises the things we do as parents for love. Lmao.I did not know that sleep deprivation was a part of active Kundalini? That could also add explanation to my going so long with no sleep?
Jane 17/08/21:
I felt the mental pressures and psychological effects of parenthood, responsibility, accountability, love and protection mode. It is an experience and period of expansion in and of itself. But being a female of the species and the actual meatbag that does the physical birthing, I also had the fallout on the bodily realm from a damaging and traumatic birth! I had horrible nightmares about being pregnant again, even after being sterilised, I would wake up to that relief from a mind nightmare. I went from wanting 3 kids to there is absolutely no way on this earth that I am doing that again! 😀 But in that extreme trauma I had experienced leaving my body in an out of body experience that came to play a huge part in my path further on, it got buried under the weight at the time but was triggered later. In fact, exactly 21 years later.
I have no idea of any real or true significance as I can only go on the facts but I discovered many years later that the day I had that OBE, was the very day that Sirius lines up with the earth and the sun. Religions and secret societies are formed around it. Sirius is symbolic of the spiritual sun to many belief systems, I think I have explained how I had found myself incorporating that into my own path …… I followed that star. Lol. (cue the music /song. …lmao.) But then when I felt I had reached Sirius (in consciousness) I found that beyond Sirius is something greater, the greater central sun! The true Source! Then you can stop searching 🙂
Laz 20/08/21:
I am aware of the significance for Sirius, however for me it was always Orion that had significance, can’t say why!
Jane 17/08/21:
I believe that major Kundalini episodes and consciousness expansion are triggered from within. On a microcosmic level individually as well as on mass collectively, like an alarm clock timed to go off, they are natural and can not be predicted nor induced. The higher realms are doing all of the directing. It is the universe bringing to us what we need for our path. And for some of us that path incudes a mind experience that is so profound and incomprehensible to the logic and intellect of our rational mind, that there is utter confusion at the time that it is undergoing it. We sometimes need to remind ourselves that….”NO GREAT MIND HAS EVER LIVED WITHOUT A TOUCH OF MADNESS” – Aristotle.
Laz 20/08/21:
I would agree they open the door, but we have to choose to walk through it 🙂 I could have made alternative choices at any stage in my path, and I was by no means taken in hand and lead the right way 🙂
Jane 21/08/21:
Absolutely, I could not reiterate that fact enough to my friend. It is no walk in the park that’s for sure and no-one else can take those steps for us.
Jane 17/08/21:
As far as I can make out for those in the know it is basically seen as a required experience, a rite of passage. As I think you said somewhere that it is like a breakthrough of consciousness. Maybe that is what takes one into higher mind and beyond the idiocracy and folly? 🙂
I understand now what you meant when you talked about managing stress to avoid another episode. Did you attend the stress management they refer to?
Laz 20/08/21:
Yes, but it was worthless drivel, one of the things that did help though, was a warning signs trigger map, I think it was called.
Jane 17/08/21:
Did it help? I know you said that you now feel mentally stronger but do you still feel vulnerable to a repeat episode? Do you still experience migraines?
Laz 20/08/21:
Yes, but they are different now. I’ll get a visual flash that is not followed by a headache, or i’ll get the headache without the visual auras.
jane 17/08/21:
That’s funny, I have just noticed and watched the video you posted on “mass psychosis”. Lol. Good video, It is spot on! We have been witnessing this for quite some time. I noticed all these things like the fear factor being ramped up following 9/11 and exactly how it was being utilised and manipulated. With modern technology it has become even more of a highly complex interrelated hysterically reactive world. I have been stating, way before Corona that the world had been infected with a stupidity virus. Lol.
Fortunately many are waking up, opening their eyes and seeing the truth. Your video is evidence of that. Seeing the collective consciousness, herd mentality and the sleepwallking into technology plug ins. As you say freedom can be found within and it does seem that only in an alternate parallel universe of an individual’s mind that freedom can be found. Ironically but fortunately for some that can come about from an individual’s experience of “psychosis” with a successful mind switch of perceptions. Raising of vibrations and updating radio equipment receivers. Consciousness awareness. I believe that is the ultimate eventual universal goal for the collective of humanity 🙂
Laz 20/08/21:
It’s difficult to see that there is an actual mass awakening, and I worry the concept has already been hijacked by evil, but I agree. It is what humanity needs 🙂
Jane 21/08/21:
It depends on where you are looking. I do see the awakening in energies and I no longer see evil as being some great scary power. I can now see it in energy as being somewhat pathetic and weak, in fact so much so that I would go so far as to say it’s idiocracy sometimes makes me laugh. Especially when it is too stupid to realise that it is showing itself for exactly what it is to the awakened. The naked emperors are being revealed. Lol.
Laz 21/08/21:
Completely agree, it’s all show and awe, but really it’s the Wizard of Oz “man behind the curtain” trick!
Jane 21/08/21:
There are so many people who are working independently on this by adapting their own receivers and raising of vibrations and mainly the spiritual non religious. It is an energy that just needs to finally reach that collective critical mass. Tip the scales. There is no denying that conditions on the planet are those in the prophecy where “Jesus would return”. We know he never was here, but I believe this prophecy could mean Christ consciousness will be awakened, and realised not in an individual “Jesus” but in the world on mass. Evil does not have the power to take on Source! Lmao.
Laz 21/08/21:
That would be amazing! I can only hope for this 🙂
Jane 21/08/21:
Just had a funny thought….. 😀 The rapture is not physical either it is just symbolic of a transition into a higher vibrational mind/consciousness. Connection with our own higher being. Is it a fantasy? I dunno, but like yourself, that is the kind of world I would want to live in and has been my “wish” for humanity all along 🙂
Laz 21/08/21:
Amen, sister 🙂