Jane 17/08/21:
I had never really considered the definitive stages of consciousness evolution as taught by Don Juan’s philosophy of hunter, warrior, sorcerer and man of knowledge. But it makes sense that at each separate stage there is a marked expansion of consciousness. I suppose it correlates to other teachings like climbing Hawkins scale of consciousness?
Did you need to go through all of these stages? Can you recognise these defined stages on your path?
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes I think so, and haven’t yet fallen victim to the traps of any stage!
Jane 21/08/21:
I don’t think it possible that you actually would/could 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
As I understand it the hunter period builds things like patience, observation, focus, concentration and techniques like watching behavioural patterns. Carlos is shown that in times of active hunting we should not let ourselves be distracted, manipulated or influenced by others, nor go with the herd mentality. We eventually learn to live that way 🙂
The mood of a warrior. Don says “The mood of a warrior calls for control over himself and at the same time it calls for abandoning himself, I kind of get that as a “controlled surrender”? Surrender but from a controlled stable point?
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes, I think that is right 🙂 I always remember an act I did as a kid. My friends and I were into mountain biking, and while we didn’t have any mountains, we did find some very steep hills in the woods. One of the steepest had been ridden by this kid who took part in proper bike races, but no one else would do it. One day I surrendered to the hill and rode it too, abandoning myself to the danger, but controlling my body and bike such that I was not hurt and successfully completed the descent at high speed. I think that is the difference between the seemingly paradoxical surrender and control ideas, and by abandoning fear one can find the skill needed to navigate the situation. Had I gotten afraid on that hill, abandon would not have been enough and I would have crashed and burned due to my terror.
Jane 21/08/21:
That is a perfect example and what a great experience to have 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
When Don talks about a warrior being buried for a few days “for the purposes of enlightenment and power”, is this the equivalent of the Egyptians and their spiritual practice of being put into a sarcophagus for a period of time?
Laz 17/08/21:
I’m afraid I don’t know about this Egyptian practice.
Jane 17/08/21:
I believe that was 3 days. And the shaman or native practice of initiation where a boy is taken to a remote place and left alone for 3 days? Watching the dung beetle is a good example in seeing, the fact that all creatures are similar, living and surviving in the same echosystem but with different levels of awareness. Inside it’s own reality or micro world the beetle goes about dealing with it’s shit, (literally in it’s case, lol) oblivious it is part of a bigger world or broader picture. Some humans have that level of density of consciousness where they cannot see further than their own noses.
Laz 17/08/21:
if you are perceiving the beetles path through existence then yes that it seeing. I always am reminded of the movie Donnie Darko when seeing comes up and this scene pretty much sums the idea up:
Jane 21/08/21:
Yes, and I can see why it’s called “Donnie Darko” lol. I have that too. Although I had to work at it with my house, like we had to understand each other 🙂
Laz 21/08/21:
No, I think it was when we first moved in, the house seemed to have a presence in it that did not like us, no like ghost but a feeling towards me. Through making improvements to the property it seems to accept us living there. In 2013 We turned a corner and the house became my protector, which was nice 🙂 I am not sure what effect the conservatory has had on the house, but it hasn’t been negative 🙂
Jane 21/08/21:
That really must have called for a real jack….of all trades? 🙂
Laz 21/08/21:
I like to be competent at most things 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
An example of the power of protection is something I felt years ago like there was a shield of protection around me and my house. Vibrations that prevented unwanted negativity from coming close, such as burglars or danger. I still feel it today and feel no need for things like house alarms. I feel perfectly safe.
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes, I have that too. Although I had to work at it with my house, like we had to understand each other 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
By the laws of attraction if I give off those thought vibrations then that is what I should attract and since my conscious and subconscious mind merged I don’t have a hidden subconscious agenda thinking any other way to mess things up. People act from the subconscious (lower self) It’s funny because having no subconscious or ego is like the equivalent of having no mind filter to pass information through, I kind of detect that in you too? and I know that can be a bit awkward in spontaneous conversations because you say it honestly as it is. Lol.
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes, I would agree and the best I can manage is simply to not speak, otherwise the truth does tend to flow out 😀
Jane 17/08/21:
I am not saying you should be dishonest but at times I have to call upon the wisdom of what one should maybe not say. Lol. Your explanation of chatting mundane stuff makes sense, yeah never thought of it that way…it is in order to fit in. That is so true! It’s like putting on a persona to fit in for a brief while when I will try to get enthusiastic with the jokes and conversations. I will even pretend to have an opinion when I don’t just to fit in. What I have noticed is that when you don’t have an opinion either way that indifference can get up some peoples noses, because to some people’s way of thinking if you don’t condemn something then they will automatically assume you must condone it, if you don’t condone it they assume you must condemn it.
Laz 17/08/21:
Oh, don’t get me started on our peers and how they exert control over you. We think of control in our lives coming from the government or the police but most of it actually comes from our friends and family, and we conform so that we don’t upset them.
Jane 21/08/21:
I agree there are a lot of control freaks worse than the dictatorial authorities they criticise. But I get it, because that need to control can run deep in egos. But shit just watching those energies, it must be exhausting for them. Lol.
Laz 17/08/21:
It’s a nefarious trick of the tribe to maintain a sick society (and I mean sick as in both ailing and disgusting). On my own and with the TV shut off I have freedom 🙂
Jane 21/08/21:
Lol. I think that when you are on a different wavelength to other people, you are basically talking a different language and sometimes verbalisation can seem futile. I will sometimes say to my husband there is no point in us continuing this conversation because we have such different perspectives that we are not even speaking on the same wavelengthl Lol. I used to be as rigid minded myself so I get the limitations of mind. It is what happens when you have an expanded consciousness that includes places in mind that others cannot reach. Lol.
Jane17/08/21:
It is that duality of the human mind. This is especially so with subjects that people find personally or emotionally challenging. I can understand that some people can attune with animals even potentially dangerous ones and do supposedly miraculous stuff like control behaviour and prevent them from attacking by remaining fearless and respectful in vibrational frequencies. That is what brings a natural harmony between all beings. When it comes to eating meat I considered the vegetarian concept in Buddhism and that specific diet in esoteric teachings is seen to be a part of the eastern tradition but not the western one due to the differences in the constitution of the person and the way they are built. Cultural and religious dietary requirements being totally different.
It was all a big question about the conscience thing of right v wrong regarding eating meat for me. I was wrongly under the impression that you could not reach enlightenment unless you lived that philosophy. With a balanced western conscience and rationale on the subject I concluded that we are all a part of an echosystem made by design so I continued to eat meat and fish with no regret once seen from a non emotional, rational perspective. We are meat! My conscience is clear 🙂
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes, we are, and I’m sure we’re very tasty too! I’ve never had a hang up about eating meat, and while my mother was a vegetarian she never pushed her beliefs onto me. I must admit that I see this concept as a religious rule from an uninformed ruling class that maybe wants to control the flock.
Jane 21/08/21:
They may be good in their intentions but all religions seem to end up like narcissistic ideologies. God’s truth gets wrapped up in bullshit in every single one of them! Religion in and of itself can be a limitation.
Laz 17/08/21:
Although I do see the eastern view of non-harm as a different thing, but even eating plants is “harmful” and we have to eat!
Jane 21/08/21:
I do too, because I discovered that harmlessness in vibrations of mind and body intent is a very important part of the buddha teachings and a way of living 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
What was interesting to me is that I also had a spontaneous 6 week dietary period that consisted of only fruit, veg, meat, fish and nuts. Basically a natural diet, no idea why? Lol. Then I resumed a “normal” crap filled modern day diet again 🙂
It is the same in the way devout Buddhist will sweep the path before them to avoid killing even the ants, that seems a bit like overdoing it to me. Lol. I would never kill a living creature on purpose not even a fly but if I accidentally did so by stepping on an insect with no malicious intent then I am not going to beat myself up over it or break my neck trying to avoid it. Lol.
Maybe that is the difference between my duel path of both extremes of life experienced and rationally processed and that of the moderate Buddhist middle path?
Laz 17/08/21:
To be that balance of Ying and Yang there has to be that little bit of bad in the good!
Jane 17/08/21:
In the esoteric teachings they recognised that there is an insurmountable cultural difference between an eastern path and a western path. They were deemed non compatible and treated as two separate spiritual processes within the teachings. It seems that by cultural evolution the two seem to have started to naturally mix. I think many in the west have only just cottoned on to the universal fact that there is a path and specifically those in the medical professions. Erasing personal history. Being out of the matrix and becoming unknown does kind of automatically do that. Lol.
After 20 years I have became nothing but a number in the system and that is fine by me 🙂 I found that erasing myself was quite easy when I left the matrix. I actually felt that the person I used to be “died” to the world and after a time I became kind of invisible. People forgot I exist. They stop talking about you. I faded out of sight. Other than to my immediate family of course.
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes, I have done the same. It’s nice 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
I also let go of all my past history as the old jane was no longer relevant. Living in the now the mind is not interested in history or future. We are westerners so not in a position of being able to achieve total isolation in a cave somewhere. I know that I am very fortunate to be in my position but by our circumstances and culture we still have to live within a family unit regardless how out of the matrix we are.
Laz 17/08/21:
Also yes, we cannot avoid them.
Jane 17/08/21:
Becoming inaccessible. Is this the same as that stage where we cut off from many things that no longer serve us on our path. That detachment from friends and people around us?
Laz 17/08/21:
I think it is more like not rising to peoples taunts, you know they can’t “get” to you, no matter how hard they try. You are in control and have chosen to not react in a negative way. Also with regard to yourself, you do not go around making a big fuss and you touch the world around you gently, leaving little trace of yourself.
Jane 17/08/21:
I remember how I could not interact with past colleagues after I had stopped working. That strange force was at work that just seemed to be stopping me from having anything to do with the world I was leaving. I mean obviously we still have immediate family connections, that is life but even those are somewhat detached for me. I am so inaccessible that I am not available and my accessibility is within my own control with no open door or on call phoneline. Inside my own bubble 🙂
Detachment. This is an interesting subject for me. I know I have asked this before but I do not have a clear perspective on it, I know that for me detachment was extreme on my path so can you tell me if there was any marked change in detachment for you on your path or have you always been that level of detached?
Laz 17/08/21:
Oh yes, and the most obvious change was that I stopped caring what people thought of me or said about me. I was as attached to pride and image as most are in my early adult years, but that went when my eyes were opened to the bigger picture by Kundalini.
Jane 17/08/21:
If that was the case I just wonder if the detachment phase is something you did not notice? Do you find yourself zoning out from those around you?
Laz 17/08/21:
Of course, I find most ordinary people hard to be around now.
Jane 21/08/21:
I sometimes have the boys in my room with me, when they are left here for a while it seems for some reason my room is the place to be! Lol. They usually bring their tablets with them because my daughter restricts their time on them at home. Everyone is aware of my difficulties with noise so they both use headphones whilst on their tablets. I find myself completely zoning out, I just cannot control it. It is like I cannot keep myself grounded for very long and my mind just wanders off into my own world 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
Physically, you said you had never been an overly physically affectionate person whereas I used to be so I suppose that would have highlighted the contrast more for me? But I have always been a loner in persona with no desire or need for friends whilst I was in the matrix. Following my experience, having been through the psychodrama testing on accepting losing my family, then realising that was just part of the test, I was left with the strangest detached feeling.
As I have said I found it to be a detachment from things like judgment and criticism to just acceptance.
Laz 17/08/21:
This seems to be skirting around the idea of non duality?
Jane 21/08/21:
This was a stage way before the non duality. More the salvation phase. The first step was acceptance of my family members with no judgment or criticism and willingness to let them go. That unconditional acceptance had yet to be expanded out to all at that point. Non duality came much later.
Jane 17/08/21:
I recognised the energies of unconditional love but there was a kind of “space” that had been formed between me and the rest of the world, including my family, a sort of independence space? Mentally? I also found as a positive that it improved my relationships as they became more authentic.
Carlos tells Don that his warrior qualities were too simplistic for the complex world in which he lived. The complexity of the world has been greatly increased since then but these qualities once attained will still stand under any circumstances. I think technology has become a huge challenge into the mix for the majority as a major plug in.
Laz 17/08/21:
I don’t know that we really have it much different to our ancestors, as I’m sure the printing press or the automobile were equally as disruptive to their way of life. I think we all have an ability to cope with a certain amount of newness, and then we get passed it and can’t handle the always incoming newer changes. I would consider “finding a spot” something like becoming competent at what you are doing.
Jane 17/08/21:
This whole acting out in the physical realm, the theatre performances of Matrix shaman is just a representation of what an apprentice needs to understand on the mind realm of the inner path, e.g. finding a “spot” physically is like the equivalent of a centred space mentally. Battles and gaining power, building shields, etc. it is all in the mental/psychological realms. What I term 4d. The book the light shall set you free gives a good explanation of the 4d as being the realm where the battle of Armageddon between the light and the dark takes place within.
Power. Power to me is a mind construct. It is a strength of belief. So called superhuman strength is another concept that is acted out into a physical representation in order to be understood but it is not physical. I think it is built up and strengthened as an energy by experience and faith once it is shown to us and proven to be effective. The power of the mind is sometimes simply mind over matter etc. Don says from birth our rings of power are hooked on to the doing of the world in order to make the world. Is this the equivalent of the Matrix and being plugged in?
Laz 17/08/21:
I don’t think so, this for me is related to being inaccessible as that alows one to store “power” and please don’t confuse this “power” for the normal use, this is one of Don Juan’s reserved words that has meaning beyond it’s normal use.
Jane 21/08/21:
Please elaborate on this for me and define what you mean by “normal” use? “Normal” is a concept that really doesn’t mean anything to me anymore.
Laz 21/08/21:
So power in the matrix is authority to control others, it is high office and lots of money. I just wanted to make sure that you weren’t mixing up the “power” term Don Juan uses, as that is more of a spiritual energy that fills one up 🙂 For example if someone tries to have a go at you and taunt you into becoming angry or upset and you steadfastly refuse to react negatively, you gain some of their power from the interaction, and they lose it.
Jane 23/08/21:
Yes I understand the difference between them. I also understand and agree with your definitions of wizard and sorcerer, it was helpful to know 🙂
Laz 17/08/21:
For example I still practice to this day curling my fingers as I walk to collect “power” from the world. Imagine it is maybe like the chakra system and as one gains power the kundalini rises. As it gets higher and higher chakras open and when it reaches the crown there is a “full” sensation. A simpler idea would be filling a vase until it overflows. The trick of course is not to dissipate your power and reduce the volume you carry.
Jane 21/08/21:
Are you saying that you store and save power by becoming a self contained vessel by focusing energy in mind and body in a controlled manner like curling your fingers?
Laz 21/08/21:
Yes, although curling ones fingers as your walk is just one of many ways.
Jane 21/08/21:
Do you mean being inaccessible as in creating a defined impenetrable “shape” with your physical vehicle and not letting anything into or leak out from that space?
Laz 21/08/21:
I don’t imagine a “shape” other than the human body, it’s not like I imagine a test tube inside of me that fills up 🙂
Jane 21/08/21:
Is it the equivalent of the force energy as in Star Wars? It is cool that you can do that whilst you are out walking.
Laz 21/08/21:
No, this is not the same. The force is more akin to Kundalini which doesn’t appear in the Yaqui philosophy. Power is the ability to act, kind of like motivation. Store enough power and you can become unstoppable, don’t store enough and you’ll only be an immobile wall flower.
Jane 23/08/21:
Maybe that’s the problem as to it’s limitations because kundalini energy was notable and identifiable to me in these works and I think I have previously explained. But to me, Don seemed fearful of it and avoided it (seemingly due to his perceptions of it being a female energy) he seemed to deny it as a result of his own lack of understanding of it or maybe just lack of it’s recognition and value.
Laz 23/08/21:
I agree, and it may have been to do with the Yaqui culture, his own teaching, or maybe his personality.
Jane 23/08/21:
Without it there is no balance, and he certainly had his own issues but as you say on his path he did not teach or practice the 8 fold path. So I just wonder if maybe from his position of perspective this was a limitation that he did not realise was keeping him trapped in the desert of the real?
Laz 23/08/21:
Yes, he didn’t have the full picture to work with, like the blind men feeling different parts of an elephant, and in many ways even with all our grandeous scope provided by the internet we are still feeling different parts today and mistaking them for the whole.
Jane 17/08/21:
Are rings of power perceptions, the Maya, the illusion?
Laz 17/08/21:
I would say they are more like your reputation in The Matrix, it both enhances your experience by making some people wow at your achievements, and also binds you to a fixed experience as you try to maintain your reputation.
By “not-doing” you break the rings as you are literally not doing what people have come to expect of you.
Jane 21/08/21:
Yes I experienced this to the max when my life crashed and I dropped out! Lol. I think we all have an ability to cope with a certain amount of newness, and then we get passed it and can’t handle the always incoming newer changes. This is what I mean by having a malleable mind that has the flexibility to cope with the changes so that it doesn’t become past it because It moves with the times, e.g. I went from not believing in sex before marriage as an ideology to understanding the one night stands that are common today that used to be perceived as promiscuity.
I accept the younger generations and see no wrong in any of it anymore. For me personally I could not separate love from sex but I get it now that people can separate the two and without such emotions. Like a detached act that means nothing. I experience no judgment at such things anymore, it is what it is, who am I to say? I think the inability to adapt and evolve comes down to that rigid control thing from egos? It prevents the natural flow of acceptance of even natural changes and becomes our own worst enemy!
Laz 21/08/21:
Yes, sadly egos are more dominant now in people than in any other time in history 🙁
Jane 17/08/21:
We only have to reference the assumption/misperception concept prevalent all around us to understand the illusion. “A man of knowledge develops another ring of power the ring of not-doing and can spin another world. Is he talking about spinning a different reality?
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes, I think I have a grasp of how the multiverse works and not-doing is a key to creating the reality you want to manifest.
Jane 17/08/21:
Store power “to not do” what you know how to do. Does he mean learn not to act, as in not to re-act to a given situation? We “store power by plugging all points of drainage”.
Laz 17/08/21:
Sort of yes, as above not-doing is breaking habits and peoples expectations of you, it is making yourself and your store of power unavailable to the psychic vampires 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
This is obviously putting up the shields of protection to prevent our energies being syphoned by others or psychic or spiritual attacks.
Laz 17/08/21:
Generally I think you’ve got the idea, but not on this point unfortunately. Once your shields go, they never come back. Imagine a knight in a battle who loses his sword and armor, he fights on but more wiley as now he must duck and dive, jump and dodge rather than just absorb the blows to his body.
Jane 21/08/21:
I must admit I have been a bit confused on this for a while and I have now given a lot of thought to it. I do get the idea of what you are saying about shields but from my own personal experience I have to disagree with Don on this because I did find a way to get them back and so I do not feel shieldless at all! But then I wonder is that just me? Or could this be a limitation on Don’s part?
Laz 23/08/21:
I would argue that you did not get your shields back, rather you physically got to a safe space where the predatory nature of others cannot hurt you 🙂
Jane 23/08/21:
Agreed. Thanks for your explanation of the shields concept, it makes sense. I accept that feeling you are not shieldless is not the same as having regaining them 🙂
Laz 21/08/21:
Interesting! tell me more 🙂 for me that would be like going backwards in growth like reversing puberty, which isn’t going to happen!
Jane 23/08/21:
Lol. No it is not like reversing back to a time before we lost the shields if that is what you are saying. That spiritual puberty was an early stage you went through on the path where as adults when we first awaken to truth and we start to challenge our own adult life and ego and start to recognise most adults are like infantile children (in their levels on the scale of conscious awareness). As we tame it and finally dissolve what comes to be seen to us as the illusory ego, it allows us to move on with our path. We don’t go backwards. Then seeing the folly and idiocracy is evidence in itself of a higher functioning mind.
Can you please explain to me, just clarify this philosophy in what the conceptual understanding means to you regarding the term “shields”?
Laz 23/08/21:
So Carlos explained it as:
“Well, look around. People are busy doing that which people do. Those are their shields. Whenever a sorcerer has an encounter with any of those inexplicable and unbending forces we have talked about, his gap opens, making him more susceptible to his death than he ordinarily is; I’ve told you that we die through that gap, therefore if it is open one should have his will ready to fill it; that is, if one is a warrior. If one is not a warrior, like yourself, then one has no other recourse but to use the activities of daily life to take one’s mind away from the fright of the encounter and thus to allow one’s gap to close. You got angry with me that day when you met the ally. I made you angry when I stopped your car and I made you cold when I dumped you into the water. Having your clothes on made you even colder. Being angry and cold helped you close your gap and you were protected. At this time in your life, however, you can no longer use those shields as effectively as an average man. You know too much about those forces and now you are finally at the brink of feeling and acting as a warrior. Your old shields are no longer safe.”
“What am I supposed to do?”
“Act like a warrior and select the items of your world. You cannot surround yourself with things helter skelter any longer. I tell you this in a most serious vein. Now for the first time you are not safe in your old way of life.”
My understanding is that ignorance is indeed bliss, and an infantile confidence is gained by not looking at the facts or trying to understand the mechanisms of the world, and by not knowing history we repeat the mistakes over and over if the prior lessons are not shared.
The shields are metaphorical and protect us much like the Christian god protected Adam and Eve before they ate of the tree of knowledge. So once you realise you are in a predatory world and you cannot trust that the authorities, your friends, or your family to have your best interests at heart, you see people blindly following without thinking and this has a dramatic effect on the psyche.
One who is aware is now subject to hellish knowledge that will bring on fear and anxiety about life, for example the old adage about Elizabethan age women wearing lead based white makeup for “fashion” and it made their complexion worse, so they used more to conceal the skin blemishes, and then their hair fell out and their teeth rotted, and finally they used so much it killed them. But because everyone was doing it, they did not think to take that step back and analyse what they were doing to themselves.
Someone must have eventually twigged and stopped, and I can’t imagine what they felt, but most were ignorant and explained away the degradation in health. The anxiety brought on from knowing what you were doing to yourself was killing you would have been a horrible realisation and the attack on your psyche would be akin to losing your shields, and facing the truth.
I think Don Juan dramatized the truth as an entity, the Ally. But I see the danger as Shock, Fear, or longer term Depression as the truth of the situation is not what you thought it was. Like when I realised that my work mates were actually organising against me, but on the surface they were not showing any signs.
That brought on mind bending fear for me as I was doing as they asked of me, but secretly they wanted me to do something other than what was proper and correct. It’s happened again since, but my experience has lead me to fill the fear gap with my will to carry on regardless and do what is right, and not what evil tells me! Once you know, you cannot go back to the prior innocence.
Jane 21/08/21
I now got to thinking that maybe this discrepancy between Don and I on this subject is in the difference of perceptions or different mind dimensions? When I am no longer in the Matrix? No longer in the arena? So I think I may have a completely different mind construct than Don on this because they are no longer a required necessity for me? No longer applicable. I don’t need shields or weaponry, my battles are over, I have the force around me and a source will behind me. I prefer to imagine a grey Jedi kind of knight in battle 😀
Laz 21/08/21:
I get that you may not need to face off against others in The Matrix in person, but I bet you had to on the phone when dealing with American lawyers and doctors and such. How did you prevent yourself from falling victim to their games?
Jane 23/08/21:
Like you, I don’t play other people’s games. As you know my mind processes slowly in it’s own time and way so the most effective communication method is via text, emails and written documents. Everything important I needed to say and responses were down in words providing me with factual evidence, the incompetence and idiocracy became clear to see. This way my evidence wrote itself. You cannot deny what is documented in texts.
Laz 23/08/21:
Agree, and unfortunately why people dislike writing things down. Whenever I hear that “we should have a chat” rather than email or text, I know there is something going on they don’t want on the record!
Jane 23/08/21:
I can read between the lines so I could feel the intent behind the words I got back, I could tell I was pissing people off so I learned to just enjoy the game on my own terms 🙂 I know that unless people can match me in energy or mind frequencies then they cannot possibly beat me, simples! 🙂
My problem was in getting idiots to process information correctly, I would end up having to do it for them and presenting it back to them. That pissed their egos off even more! 😀 It is like seeing a bigger picture that others cannot see, it gives an advantage if you can be patient and not get frustrated. Whatever was thrown at us I threw back whilst remaining respectful and sticking to the truth and facts, nothing else!
Laz 23/08/21:
Sadly I have been here too many times also 🙁 I will not forget the blistering anger from my boss when I rewrote his crap test plan and presented to him.
Jane 23/08/21:
I knew that it was nothing but professional truth I was speaking and therefore court worthy standard. When you deal only in truth it has power behind it because you know that ultimately it cannot be challenged if it has to go to a court of law. It is that power that doesn’t require shields or weapons because you know you are right so by sticking to the truth it will eventually speak for itself! I do no harm but I can deflect peoples weapons back on them! Lol.
Laz 23/08/21:
So true. They hate it and will use all manner of other tricks to stop you, but the simple truth stands up for itself. The best they can do is to try to get it struck from the record, like evil hiding from it’s own reflection.
Jane 23/08/21:
I am neutral in my natural state but whatever I need to call on I have within me. Power comes from the mind and it may be the detached distance but my mind is such that I feel I can now fight matrix battles with my hands tied behind my back and blindfold. I have no fear of defeat because I find the idiots within the idiocracy are just no match for a sound, balanced, determined source willed mind that is more than capable of exposing incompetence. So I’m like…don’t even try to mess with me. But in an absolutely calm and respectful way.
I have had a few face to face exchanges in my room with official people and I am the same with them. For example if someone tries to have a go at you and taunt you into becoming angry or upset and you steadfastly refuse to react negatively, you gain some of their power from the interaction, and they lose it.. I let it go because I know it is not true and it it is the NPC expectations of the world that push this view on everyone. But I gather “power” from these interactions and it doesn’t bother me. These descriptions to me suggest shield like qualities 🙂
I already know that you have many of these qualities, as in ways of thinking and I think you already have more shield like protection than you maybe realise?
Laz 23/08/21:
I have had to protect myself, for sure. However I do not call my protections shields, as Carlos wrote that they do not come back, so I don’t actually have a name for my defences at all. As an umbrella term I could call it maturity, but maybe I should name the “skills” which fill the gaps left by the loss of shields…
Jane 23/08/21:
I was thinking along these lines too. Could you do this as it would give more clarity on the subject 🙂
Laz 23/08/21:
Not sure I understand, can you explain further what you want me to do?
Jane 23/08/21:
So were you saying …..”maybe I should name the skills”, as in identify and put a name to the individual skills.. Or were you saying….”maybe I should name them skills” as in call them that as a general label? Sorry, sometimes words can be very ambiguous in our language especially in text 🙂
Laz 23/08/21:
My fault, the latter was my intention, but you make a good point, so:
Questioning adults as a child gap – Curiosity skillLooking for your own understanding of what you’ve been told gap – Scientific method skill
Standing up for what you believe in gap – Bravery skill
Being bullied gap – Take it on the chin skill
Getting in a fight gap – Overcome pain skill
Bouncing back from defeat gap – Perseverance skill
No such thing as perfection gap – Reality skill
Learn to live with a medical condition gap – No such thing as complete health skill
It’s okay to be sad gap – This is not depression skill
Parents are not always correct gap – Position does not equal competance skill
Get lied to and find out gap – Self confidence skill
Do wrong and get in trouble gap – Self awareness skill
Follow instructions but get in trouble anyway – Right is not doing as you are told skill
Religion is a lie gap – Find your own spiritual truths skill
Failed belief in mankind gap – Be an example to others skill
Nice guys finish last gap – Kindness is the only way skill
Spiritual experiences gap – Find spiritual truths skill
What is the meaning of life gap – Kundalini skill
What is happiness gap – Balance Science and Spirit skill
Is death to be feared gap – Nope!
There’s a quick 10 minute list. I can probably doo better, but that just rolled out!
Jane 24/08/21:
Thanks for this it does clarify things more for me 🙂 That is quite some interesting skills you have developed. As you say ..As an umbrella term I could call it maturity, I don’t think it is possible to achieve effectively unless we mature independently of others?
I think a truly successful path is a solo path because each person has to find their own skills as gap fillers as the gaps are identified? Have I got that bit right? 🙂
Laz 24/08/21:
It has to be solo as we only have a brain that can deal with things individually. As much as I would like to access a hive mind, I am but singular in my experience, perhaps with little spiritual messages getting through every now and then through Kundalini 🙂
I agree with your statement, and as a supplementary note; many who identify gaps do not fill them. Instead they are afraid and they run from them, and thus never gain a skill in that area and forever fear it.
Laz 23/08/21:
I couldn’t resist a matrix gif which came to mind when you were describing your interactions 🙂 I feel the same way and have faced off against similar foe in the same manner, crazy thing is that this seems perfectly normal to me now, and I can’t understand how those asleep cannot not see the fruitlessness in their approach, yet still they persist!
Jane 23/08/21:
When I say my battles are over, I was referring to the internal battles that I had to overcome within my own mind within myself! The hardest battles of all, the holy war within. What these shields are, to me we create within our own consciousness, basically it is a fully mastered self empowered human mind.
Laz 23/08/21:
Of course once you remove your shields to others, you realise you have shields around your self too! And these are perhaps the most difficult to cope with.
Jane 23/08/21:
The irony to this fact being that we are then incompatible to our fellow humans and become living examples of aliens on the planet 🙁 (or second thoughts, maybe that should have been :D)
Jane 17/08/21:
Or even loss caused by our own minds especially from the subconscious causing a drainage of mental energies. I think that right power once gained actually comes from going with the divine flow of the universe?
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes, we can be our own worst enemies!
Jane 17/08/21:
Stopping the world. I remember early on when my brainwaves were slowing down and I saw the world as a rat race that was going far too fast for me and made my head spin if I tried to keep up with it, I said “stop the world, I need to get off!” Lol. When Carlos had the experience where he saw the water stop to a freeze frame image was that a symbolic representation of the world stopping?
Laz 17/08/21:
I thought so for the longest time, but had a very strange experience in a plane coming in to land at LAX, I was looking out the window as the plane was approaching the airport from the sea, and I was amazed to find that the sea was frozen, not ice, but it wasn’t moving, like someone had forgotten to animate it and hadn’t expected me to be looking. I could see the waves but they weren’t moving, they were static like in a photo. I had a funny turn as you might imagine. When I couple this idea with seeing the truth of a TV show and seeing through the story to see bad actors and flimsy sets, it gives one a sense that it is all a simulation.
Jane 21/08/21:
Another great example and such a profound experience in a reality check type of change of perceptions. I got that concept from the Truman show but it must be very different having a personal experience of it manifest before your eyes in reality to watching it in a film.
Laz 21/08/21:
It was like Truman sailing into that fake horizon painted on the wall of his biome 🙂
Jane 23/08/21:
Yes when I watched that very scene it blew my mind because I immediately recognised it as something I had just experienced, like my consciousness had reached a parameter limit of a fake reality and broke through the boundary walls 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
So it is difficult to grasp what Don is saying. Is stopping the world letting go of perceptions and beliefs as taught about the world?
Laz 17/08/21:
Kind of, yes. it is the act of no longer naming/labelling/identifying things you see with their meaning. Like looking at a tree and seeing its form but not knowing what it is for or how it works. It’s just a nameless thing in your way. The same can be done for abstract things like emotions too. Suddenly someone crying doesn’t mean anything and you don’t know the reason. In doing this it helps one understand the underlying stupidity of the assumptions we make.
Jane 17/08/21:
He talks about the world changing, being left behind and not being the same again and we leave even our loved ones behind. This was symbolic for me but by leaving the Matrix I cannot get fully back. Other than that nothing changed except my perceptions and attachment. As I say I was tested as in being prepared to lose my family but once I showed I was, it did not happen nor need to happen.
Laz 17/08/21:
I can relate 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
But the shift detached me. “Seeing is attained when one has stopped the world through the techniques of not-doing”. Is this the way of temporarily seeing for a shaman by way of leaving the world, transcending it in order to see it? They see it whilst high?
Laz 17/08/21:
Oh no, it may first come to you through a drug experience, and shake you out of your mind, but it is not drug induced in itself. Imagine seeing (regular seeing) everything around you in 2d, as a flat image, rather than 3d, and the things you look at are not real. This opens you up to a different narration on life, one that is not tied to your experiences of the 3d world and all its labels and assumptions. You may begin to perceive the underlying currents of the world that seemingly unconnected events, connect!
Jane 17/08/21:
I know that via drug use one can get temporary glimpses when the ego is temporarily transcended. It is the mind, veils and filters that prevents seeing clearly. Or is not-doing, not thinking? Like blanking out all thoughts? Or is not-doing the same as using no self will, like no plan but with the confidence in the ability to do? No effort, Source will?
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes, when you have stopped acting in your old habitual way, and you see the underlying currents of the world, then you may become compelled to follow a thread that makes no sense to the average onlooker, but is the flow of the source.
Jane 17/08/21:
Or is that not something these kind of sorcerers usually do because they do use self will? I cannot work it out, is ego gone by the sorcerer level?
Laz 17/08/21:
Yes, and Carlos writes “The passageway into the world of sorcerers opens up after the warrior has learned to shut off the internal dialogue”
Jane 17/08/21:
Dreaming. In Don’s instructions to Carlos he seems to be referring to lucid dreaming? In the early days after a couple of experiences I read books on this and tried to practice it but I was not successful, then I forgot all about it until you mentioned it. I think it is maybe just a practice of controlling the mind?
Laz 17/08/21:
I still don’t know myself. I’ve had lucid dreams but they are fleeting and infrequent. I’d like to find out though 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
Dreams can be used as a form of testing as to how we react to certain situations. Not dissimilar to the psychodrama testing methods. When I gave up smoking I would dream that I had given in and smoked again, only to wake up relieved it was not so in reality. Or I would do the right thing in a dream and wake up relieved.
Talking of dreams I recently had one that was really bizarre where there was contact on what seemed to be the elemental realm? Not in human form but looked like the elementals or tappers as in pencil drawings you made, they were pleasant ones not the nasty type 🙂 It was weird because I know that I am multidimensional but have never experienced myself as a pencil drawing on a piece of paper before. lol. Come to think of it that is 2 dimensional being isn’t it? 😀
I think these “visual trips” on LSD or mushrooms where the mind experiences things like solid matter pass through solid matter, are beneficially designed to show that at the quantum level all is energy, things in the world are not solid but made up of atoms vibrating at different frequencies. As in show a different perspective from our normal perceptions of reality for those whos minds cannot grasp it as a concept without the visual experience.
I also think that effective drug use allows a flexibility of the mind for people who tend to have a more rigid perspective on things? The malleability of the mind being like the tree that can bend and blow with the wind instead of snapping.
Laz 17/08/21:
It all depends on the person, and some people are just NPCs and will never grasp the deeper meanings 🙁
I’m glad you can relate to Drew and his path.
Jane 17/08/21:
Btw: I think you are right that the vibrating is something that happens on waking not going to sleep. I only got confused because it happens at that point where you are just dropping off but something rouses you before you actually get to sleep, so that is technically still on waking 🙂
I have now had a chance to reflect upon and relate your Drew story ending to my own personal path experience 🙂 I have had that seemingly spontaneous moment in time. That point of do or die but I honestly think my ego was by that point pretty much dissolved. The old jane went “bye.. ee” lol. I had convinced it by psychoanalysing the life out of it and loved it to death by that point I think. Lol. It went willingly and happily as a smooth transition. I remember knowing I was about to surrender my own human will, take that quantum leap, but also by knowing just how crafty a human ego can be, in my final thought I was like …..this better be you source! 😀
It is strange to think that at the times of these old teachings there was no technology and the world was not interconnected whereas now paths and concepts like enlightenment are being shared across the globe. The old shaman and their tribes could go through whole generations without even being aware of the existence of rest of the world. Of course even they have mobile phones now. I think it’s fascinating the way even the indigenous natives are using satellite images to assess what governments are doing to their lands…… 😀
Funny side note on language I noticed again where I have seen it become polar opposite in its meaning, a bit like the Isis example I gave previously. The phrase “Me too” I have noticed we use it a lot and between you and I it means we are in absolute agreement. Me too 🙂 But, I have noticed that in the Matrix world the very same words spoken have become a hashtag #metoo. that seems to trigger a collective almost hysterical reaction and response of “I’m a herd victim!”
Laz 17/08/21:
This is the battle cry of the day, sadly. I see people all over seeing victimhood as virtuous and turning like a demon on those who disagree 🙁
Jane 17/08/21:
I am not demeaning their so called “movement” …but when I hear it I find the contrast funny. Thinking about our shared predicament in conceptual learning as in about ourselves.
Jane 17/08/21:
Would you say that you are living in the world but not of the world? I see this as meaning living in the world but with the minimum of those plug ins that trap the psyche and rob people of having freedom of mind by keeping their vibrations low.
Laz 19/08/21:
Absolutely, I’m embarrassed by what the public has become in recent years, and the world has become predatory while at the same time declaring it’s love to all. It’s like those victims you spoke about. When you don’t do what they want, they become inhuman monsters who are incapable of thinking and simply demand that you comply. Well I aim to misbehave 😀
Jane 17/08/21:
Does a bodhisattva live that way with each foot placed in two different realms ?
Laz 19/08/21:
Yes, one foot in a heaven they can never enter, and one foot in hell-earth where they try to help others.
Jane 21/08/21:
I too have had a taste of both. I just hope I am done with that bloody matrix! 😀 BTW: what is an NPC?
Laz 21/08/21:
Sorry, NPC is a gaming term that means Non Player Character. They are the computer controlled people you meet in games and interact with, but they are simple as they are computer controlled, and they are a perfect analogy for the rule following, non thinking, masses in our world. The idea has spawned a very popular set of memes:
Jane 17/08/21:
Like you say on your website many of the teachings and attitudes date back so far into a completely different era. It is strange to think that technology had not even been thought of back then, the world was not at all interconnected the way it is today. Paths and journeys to enlightenment have become such a huge phenomenon and being shared instantaneously around the world. As you know I still lived in that tech free isolated world during my own path. I look on all of this now as having been on some kind of mystery tour. Lol.
Having been through many of the archetypes and myths as part of my path even sci-fi films. Then my mission felt to me like the Alice in Wonderland concept that was merged with the technology age and then a tablet lying on my bed in the UK became the equivalent of a portal that took me down the rabbit hole into the matrix….lol. The clearer I try to express my truth the crazier this shit really does sound, like spoken in words out loud 😀
Laz 19/08/21:
Yeah, it’s a shame as the truth and reality really no longer match what people do and say, and profess to believe 🙁
Jane 17/08/21:
If it sounds like a crazy mind trip that is because in my reality it really was! My curiosity is drawn to the fact that I cannot read if they are words that are printed on the t-shirt you are wearing referring to a “man of knowledge” ? Google doesn’t help me so.. Please clarify for me 🙂 So as far as I can tell is this sorcery is a case of basically using the siddhis?
Laz 19/08/21:
Certainly there is a cross over, but again, Sorcerer in Don Juan’s world is a reserved word and does not have the common meaning we understand. I’ll never forget that this friend of mine had a Jewish wife and she took the piss out of me for wanting to be a sorcerer, thinking that it was a wizard. I took it on the chin like a warrior and internally laughed back at her Tora and Talmud beliefs!
Jane 21/08/21:
Can you define your terminology for me here of “Sorcerer” and “wizard”? It is quite clear to see that this sort of attitude and behaviour towards others is always a projection of their own inadequacies 🙂
Laz 21/08/21:
So for a Wizard, think Gandalf the grey from LOTR, or Merlin from King Arthur. A stereotypical magic guy. A Sorcerer on the other hand is not this. Some quotes from the books:
“A power that comes out of his body as he progresses on the path of knowledge. That feeling is the will , and when he is capable of grabbing with it, one can rightfully say that the warrior is a sorcerer, and that he has acquired will .
An average man can grab the things of the world only with his hands, or his senses, but a sorcerer can grab them also with his will.”“A man who follows the paths of sorcery is confronted with imminent annihilation every turn of the way, and unavoidably becomes keenly aware of his death
Sorcery in Don Juan’s world is not about performing magic, and more about seeing the underlying reality of the universe.”
Jane 17/08/21:
I had read about them but they were not called siddhis in the text, instead being described as” psychic gifts” in the book ” A course in miracles”. A western author. The book said do not indulge but surrender them, give them up to your higher self for divine purposes.
Laz 19/08/21:
This is the same as in Yoga 🙂 To be used for defence only! And I’m glad that like me you did not fall for their enticement.
Jane 17/08/21:
What I experienced in my 40 day testing blew my mind, e.g. I had full on things like premonitions, healing and even resurrection capacities. But I felt no way impressed by these acts so I think I knew that if I succumbed to the temptation of the siddhis then that is where my path would have to end. I saw the trap. I found it to be the same well intentioned part of ego that is tested and is highly susceptible to falling for that I am great, or I am god clap/trap 🙂
Jesus displayed all of the siddhis but attributed it to the “father within” not of his own power. So the journey to Ixtlan is symbolic of the path or journey home?
Laz 19/08/21:
No, I think the name is simply to do with those scammers Genaro meets as he walks to Ixtlan, and the lesson taught by the experience.
Jane 17/08/21:
Don explains Ixtlan as being a physical realm place we call home and our born connections or roots to life in the Matrix. But “home” is also symbolic, a state of mind, a reality that is personal to us. It is a mind space within and cannot be invaded or taken, it is a centre of gravity. I have no such physical roots and could make my Matrix home anywhere that was environmentally suitable for me. Underground cave would be perfect. Lol. 😀
Laz 19/08/21:
Me too 🙂
Jane 17/08/21:
A.I. generated images of Don Juan and Carlos 🙂
