Jane 19/07/21:
Thanks for the book, I enjoyed that it was a good read 🙂 It is always interesting to read about other people’s experiences with Kundalini because every one is unique and there are now many out there who are sharing 🙂 I completely agree with the fact that many Kundalini yoga teachers are ill equipped in knowledge and with no personal experience of the Kundalini energy they talk about, and other types of yoga teachers have never heard of it!
I would have thought that trying to force a natural process is not a good idea when that process is complex and unique to each individual both physiologically and psychologically because as she points out some teachers have no idea what they are dealing with and the narcistic amongst them think they know it all. I also think that natural Kundalini processes are time sensitive triggered and so activity is probably best directed from within if it is to be successful? Unless of course there really are some personally practiced, competent practitioners out there that can purposefully and successfully do so?
Did you ever feel a call to India? Or one of those retreats? It seems a lot of westerners do. It seems I just retreated…. to my own bed! 😀
Laz 19/07/21:
Oh boy do I, especially Goa!
Jane 20/07/21:
But more specifically what is it that lures you? Why do people feel that pull? Why India? Is it like a kind of mecca for the Muslims? Pilgrimage?
Laz 20/07/21:
I don’t know really how to quantify it. It is like the home some of the philosophy that has changed my life, plus in my industry I’ve worked with a lot of Indians and I really like their attitude to life and work (although I don’t like the caste system at all)
It feels like there is something for me to discover there, and I don’t mean an all knowing guru as they don’t exist. I’ve learnt that from the availability of Kundalini knowledge in books or online.
Jane 19/07/21:
There are a lot of people who have a spiritual experience whilst they are very young and it does seem that many of them feel they are in some ways very different early on to other people. I also find it interesting how some religions taught people to become the sheep whereas it is the dissatisfaction in others that as you said triggers them towards a different path like a wake up call. I have always thought that religion does play a role still in the world for people despite the religions themselves being the cause of their own downfalls.
Laz 19/07/21:
Christianity for one! I was so off religion until I discovered Hinduism. I have always made the distinction between the word of the leader and the churches practices. Love Jesus’s style, but the CoE WTF!?! 🙂
Jane 19/07/21:
I think it is a bit like an extinction like transition period going on. The narcissism can be extreme in the so called religious and is quite evident in some of those who profess to being married to god or a servant of god yet express in actions a path that is far from the heart. The truly cloaked type of vampires!
With reference to the right/left brain and her thoughts, theory, evidence (and example of Gordon Brown) for having a right brain mind attributed to a lazy eye was thought provoking but I cannot say it convinced me but I know I tried to make sense of my own left/right brain experience in a similar way. Science is left brain, spirituality is right it is as simple as that so can be poles apart in their extremes. They seem to have parted and went their separate ways when they went to war over their extreme differences when science took on the church over the idiocracy of rigid dogmatic beliefs that science proved otherwise in that greatest of paradigm shifts. Earth orbits the sun, not the other way around! Truth in the heavens. Lmao.
The church must have shit themselves…witch hunt time. lol. I believe that science needs spirituality (or at the very least ethics in science) and spirituality needs science. The two to me have to be integrated. But scientist are left brain minded.
Laz 19/07/21:
Yes the mistake has been trying to separate them 🙂
Jane 19/07/21:
Fortunately more scientists are utilising more of the right brain today and they are usually more spiritual than religious. And they no longer get burned at the stake for heresy. Lol. I know for certain that my left brain was extremely dominant in my ego life but I concluded that was just the way my mind and personality had worked?
Then I was aware that my right brain characteristics got triggered to balance both sides out. As you know I was a staunch atheist, I was also scientifically analytical and skeptical. I see that now for myself as having been the perfect place to start I even felt that those qualities were preferential on my path to being easily programmed or brainwashed by religious beliefs.
Laz 19/07/21:
It is a sad fact now however that the very mention of science and unnamed scientists has the same power as religion and the old religious cardinals and bishops. The scientific method is rarely followed any more and we get idiot brainwashed politicians shouting “follow the science” like some absurd scene from Monty Python’s life of Brian!
Jane 20/07/21:
The impact of reading these words together with looking at that visual image really cracked me up! Over and over again it just got funnier and funnier, because It is so true!
Jane 19/07/21:
The bird analogy was interesting. I experienced that moment of awareness where I was doer and the observer but for a moment there was also an observer, observing the observer. It’s funny to me because I used to reach a point in my mind where I would simply write “I’ve lost the plot” because I could go no further in my expression or explanation at that point. It is true that we make a space and then have to grow into that space as a natural ability. Move into the plot that I lost. 🙂
Laz 19/07/21:
I can relate to that 🙂
Jane 19/07/21:
Another way out there experience I had was one of my own “pre-conception”. I went through human consciousness of experience in reverse. back to before I was physically birthed, born. Like In utero then I remember that I had hit the “nothingness”? Not sure if that was what Buddhists call the void? but my goal was always to go beyond, so somehow that took me on a reversing process in my mind and my awareness. I remember going back to the moment of the stage after fertilization takes place, a concieved being. But I went even further back and perceived points of awareness in two split definite separate places, and I was the consciousness of the sperm and the egg before they came together. Before I was even made. That blew my mind at the time.
Laz 19/07/21:
Mocksha or perfect Yoga? 🙂
Jane 20/07/21:
Oh, so that’s what it was. 🙂
Jane 19/07/21:
I believe that outside of the restricted realm of time, all that ever was, is and can be as potential is out there in the universal mind we just need to pick it up. Even people like Einstein admit to knowledge being almost dropped into their minds seemingly from “elsewhere” and I think that is exactly what those kind of eureka moments are. A contact made with universal intelligence? Or knowledge?
Not understanding what was going on in my life and no way to verify anything meant I felt at times that I was walking a fine line between insanity and supersanity and I think that is part of the strength required. Intuition and surrender helped me hold on to the latter. I agree that some of the mentally afflicted are actually highly evolved but unable to function in normal society. I read Meher Babas book on his tours to find the masts in India and I could definitely relate to them.
In earlier correspondences you swapped my expression of the word innocence to your own of purity, because you said the word innocence meant something different to you. So please define for me your definition of the word innocence?
Laz 19/07/21:
Innocence is the unknown, of a person without knowledge or experience of a situation, it is the lack or understanding or even a concept for what is going on. The innocent may appear wise through their lack of experience, but it is really just naivety.
Purity is knowledgeable and understanding, but with a conscious decision to think the correct way and to do only good. For example an innocent could go swimming in the sea without any knowledge of sharks and get eaten. A purist would not go swimming in shark infested waters because they learnt about the situation and decided it was bad strategy to risk it.
In your description of your journey, I would say that you were the innocent. Where as I had read much about yoga and Hinduism, and Castaneda, so I had some experience through my reading to guide me. It was still a shock to my system, and the Kundalini awakening was truly unknown to me, and I was the innocent at that moment, but otherwise I had some practice and terms to hang on things that were going on.
Jane 20/07/21:
Yes! Absolutely, I can see what you mean, that was definitely me.
Jane 19/07/21:
When I read about other people’s experiences and their practices I realise just how dumb I was to it all and am so thankful for that and that in my surrender I was just taken through everything almost effortlessly that’s not to say it was easy but that I did not need to volitionally practice anything. She says that according to yogi bhajan there is a natural 40 day rhythm to habits of the body and mind and it takes 40 days of consistent practice to break a habit or for kundalini to act on the nervous system. So this explains my kundalini experience, the 40 nights of no sleep that deprogrammed my mind back to factory settings and also how it so easily rid me of the addictions I had for years. I was also cured of my medical problems and no longer felt I had an illness but because my life and inactivity did not alter due to transcendence I did not realise that fact for a while. I was too far gone to notice!
I had also stopped using weed and stayed off it for a period of about 18 months. Interestingly it also says that it takes 90 days to establish new neural pathways. It reminded me how I explained that was exactly how it felt for me in mind in our communications going on during the time that I was transitioning back to my own realm, I described it to you as my mind felt like it was taken over making new neural pathways or something like that as we were just talking/communicating…The time between compiling my first email for us to reconnect and sending my email informing you of the very end of that 7 year cycle, finished! When I had that Kundalini rebalancing episode and then I explained it to you in an update…. Well the time period was exactly 3 months. Lol.
Laz 19/07/21:
That is interesting, I knew about your 40 days and of Jesus’s 40 days and nights, but not that it was so significant! i’ll have to work out if 40 days plays a part in my story anywhere 🙂
Jane 19/07/21:
It really is strange when you have no control and act with no intended self will because it means that you can only make sense of things by reflection, almost in hindsight, but I guess sometimes it is a case of just having to wait for the observer to put it all together 🙂 Do you find that?
Laz 19/07/21:
I certainly find that synchronicities are rife all around me. I was reading my new book and about a “Gong Foo” (in the book) instructor telling his disciple a secret about flow, and how you can best your opponent if you can see the flow of the universe and act in accordance with it, rather than against it, and I thought “that is very revelatory” but it is only since reading your email that it makes sense 🙂
Jane 19/07/21:
I have never given terminology or thought to my path and so never really before now given any consideration to what you have described as “The path of knowledge”? And that explains something I was really curious about…. the t shirt! Lol. The one you was wearing in your organisation video. 🙂 I think the greatest irony of the path of knowledge is that a big part of that path is having to …..Unlearn what you have learned, i.e. The bullshit stuff. Lol.
Laz 19/07/21:
Not sure i’ve used that term, but the one i know is from Castaneda, and is called “The Man Of Knowledge” and yes i have a t-shirt of this too. It is the final stage of development for the “warrior” as Don Juan describes 🙂
Jane 19/07/21:
I notice that publisher produced her book have you had any dealings with him?
Laz 19/07/21:
Yes many interactions.
Thanks for this email, it has been the highlight of my day
Jane 20/07/21:
As I am sure was your visit to the co-op #freedom 🙂
Laz 20/07/21:
My co-op experience was interesting, and my face was kind of buzzing in there without a muzzle! It was one of those knife edge do I or don’t I moments and it was fulfilling 🙂
Jan 20/07/21:
I have never put a mask on, but then I don’t need to. What cracks me up most about the mask issue is that pre covid there was many governments doing their utmost to make it illegal for people to use face coverings….not allowed! Then made rules to enforce just the opposite! They don’t know if they are coming or going at the best of times. It is just mad seeing how the coronavirus has the world behaving. Like wtf? Lol. It just cracks me up with it’s idiocracy 😀
Laz 20/07/21:
Had an odd letter from the the NHS mental health people earlier, I responded by text saying that I was not interested and then this weird conversation followed:
What do you make of it?
Jane 20/07/21:
Is it me or is that kind of freaky? Am I just reading too much into it? I get that they are maybe checking up on people who have a history of mental health problems due to the current covid shit going on, but ….
“I could restart those 5 years again”
??? Doesn’t make sense in the context it is said? That sounds more like a message because that is kind of how it feels from my perspective? Like I said i think this is a period of refreshing my mind, but yeah….weird 😀
Laz 20/07/21:
I was a bit like “this is a threat” !!!
Time will tell…