Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
So this teaching is really making sense to me now that Carlos is bringing it all together. You are right that my new book is a helpful companion too \ud83d\ude42 <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
\"The modality of the time is the precise bundle of energy fields being perceived,\" he answered. \"I believe man's perception has changed through the ages. The actual time decides the mode; the time decides which precise bundle of energy fields, out of an incalculable number, are to be used. And handling the modality of the time - those few, selected energy fields - takes all our available energy, leaving us nothing that would help us use any of the other energy fields.\"<\/pre>\n\n\n\nIs this the evolution of human knowledge and understanding passing through different eras and modalities? Depending on where mans point of attention can be placed in any given era. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
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Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
It may be, although I’m not sure how many eras we are looking at, I’m assuming the “new seers” are current Yaqui given these books were written in the 1970s, but how far back do the old seers go I wonder?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21: <\/p>\n\n\n\n
\"This is what I mean when I say that the average man lacks the energy needed to deal with sorcery,\" he went on. \"If he uses only the energy he has, he can't perceive the worlds sorcerers do. To perceive them, sorcerers need to use a cluster of energy fields not ordinarily used. Naturally, if the average man is to perceive those worlds and understand sorcerers' perception he must use the same cluster they have used. And this is just not possible, because all his energy is already deployed.\" <\/pre>\n\n\n\nI would say because for most his attention is trapped in the 3d matrix and his mind attracted by his attention, assemblage point to the basic everyday world consisting of the mundane and folly. To me, most seem more plugged in to that realm than ever! Busy minds like busy bees. \ud83d\udc1d lol. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/0\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Yes, I agree and would go further to say I’m not sure there have ever been more people alive with so little energy. It’s like the night of the living dead out there!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
“Intent”. OK. So this fact has stood out to me that my own very definition of this word seems to have caused misperceptions in my understanding. It comes down to terminology again. Intent to me implies intentional, as in a kind of wilful intent that I put down to an individual self volition but it seems the term intent here means something completely different as in, intent being nothing more than itself the energy that is being interacted with? And I did not relate it at all as a source to knowledge? <\/p>
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Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I’m not sure, this definition from the first book seems to agree with your first thoughts:<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Having unbending intent meant having the will to execute a necessary procedure by maintaining oneself at all times rigidly within the boundaries of the knowledge being taught.<\/pre>\n\n\n\nWhile in the Power of Silence it is explained differently, I still feel that you were correct to begin with. if you look at how it is described: <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link<\/pre>\n\n\n\nAll this says to me is that intent has been abstracted out of the mind of an individual into a “force” that we can link to. I don’t think that there is any knowledge in “intent” itself, rather it is a well to draw from when we need it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
He said that in the universe there is an unmeasurable, indescribable force which sorcerers call intent, and that absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link. Sorcerers, or warriors, as he called them, were concerned with discussing, understanding, and employing that connecting link. They were especially concerned with cleaning it of the numbing effects brought about by the ordinary concerns of their everyday lives. Sorcery at this level could be defined as the procedure of cleaning one's connecting link to intent<\/pre>\n\n\n\nSo a cleaning is removing the psycho bullshit that veils and disconnects from the intent of pure unlimited knowledge?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Again, I’m not sure. It could be that cleaning the link is like making sure that the abstract intent is not obstructed by indecision. Like if you feel that you should do something, but your brain says, wait a minute if you do that it might be dangerous and cause you to doubt your intent.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 22\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ok that makes sense \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
“absolutely everything that exsists in the entire cosmos” And this explains our own psychological mind work we do for self discovery, including as one kind of sorcery- Magic, being abstract thinking or something like a mind trail to knowledge or even a revelation? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
As before, I think this might be a well of the force to do something, I’m not sure it is knowledge in itself. It might help to consider it as will power, which like intent may be in short supply in some people.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Sorcery\/magic\/shamanics is simply mind manipulation. It can be black\/dark from a place of non love\/self interest, or it can be white\/light from a place of love and no self agenda. But there is this different kind of sorcery\/magic that is used on the self, so would you say that comes from a place of Source intent? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
If you can equate sorcery\/magic to the will power of someone, then yes this seems to fit. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
sorcerers obtained knowledge directly from intent, sorcerers had gained specific insights into intent; and that they had passed these nuggets of direct knowledge on from generation to generation to the present. He said that the task of sorcery is to take this seemingly incomprehensible knowledge and make it understandable by the standards of awareness of everyday life<\/pre>\n\n\n\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Balls! I should have read ahead. My idea is shot then! Ummm, not sure I understand this then. I need to re-read this book \ud83d\ude42 the Beginners guide is a blank here too \ud83d\ude41<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 22\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Lol. You make me laugh. So are you going to read it again?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 22\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Not sure, I’m kind of off reading books at the moment and more into watching movies \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
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Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
So is that channelling? I mean the 5d quality stuff, not the bullshit. Lol. And\/or researching and compiling past ancient knowledge, assimilating it, then translating it, to an understandable level for a modern day mentality to comprehend or even resonate with? E.g. Knowing the background story and motives of the authors who wrote the light shall set you free, that is what I believe they were doing. Using all of their mind realms including the abstract. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I’ll pass for now \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
At various times don Juan attempted to name his knowledge for my benefit. He felt that the most appropriate name was nagualism, but that the term was too obscure.<\/pre>\n\n\n\nThe term…”NAGUALISM” – What a interestingly thought provoking and yet quaint word… \ud83d\ude42 <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Because of their extraordinary energy, naguals are intermediaries. Their energy allows them to channel peace, harmony, laughter, and knowledge directly from the source, from intent, and transmit them to their companion. Naguals are responsible for supplying what sorcerers call \"the minimal chance\" \"the awareness of one's connection with intent\"<\/pre>\n\n\n\nSo is this awareness of one’s connection with intent the same as surrender to Source? Or does a divine mission or search for knowledge within an individual create that intent? Or maybe attract it? Or just connect to it by intent? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
In my original model of this in my head I would have disagreed, but I’m not sure now, sorry!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Intent is the pervasive force that causes us to perceive. We do not become aware because we perceive; rather, we perceive as a result of the pressure and intrusion of intent. The aim of sorcerers is to reach a state of total awareness in order to experience all the possibilities of perception available to man<\/pre>\n\n\n\nI get this goal because as with all such teachings it is not a literal thing but meant to be a symbolic like metaphor. A dramatisation of a vertical shift but of awareness. Like the rocket symbol for me \ud83d\ude80I see it as a transcendence or expansion of the mind not a literal body thing. The rapture means the same thing it is simply moving into a higher consciousness or state of perceived awareness. You do not literally rapture up in body. What is meant by the world is never seen the same again, it means as a mind construct. the world around you does not disappear nor does it change….you do! In your perceptions of a separate reality. Like a level up in mind. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Funnily enough I’ve just watch a mini series where rapture was physical, and had strong Kundalini overtones. It was Arthur C Clarke’s Childhood’s end.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it.<\/pre>\n\n\n\nI would agree with this but the hidden power is all in and of the human mind.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Yes, this has been my experience, of realising that it was always there but our society had clouded over it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Everything, all human potentially is within us. We are nothing but a mind that we can train and control. But I think that it can be difficult for a mind to perceive it as power, as such when it does not come from a place of self volition? So reaching it is no big deal either. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
\"Once we have reached it, what exactly do we do with it, don Juan?\" <\/pre>\n\n\n\n\"Nothing. Once we have reached it, it will, by itself, make use of energy fields which are available to us but inaccessible. And that, as I have said, is sorcery. We begin then to see - that is, to perceive - something else; not as imagination, but as real and concrete. And then we begin to know without having to use words. And what any of us does with that increased perception, with that silent knowledge, depends on our own temperament.\"<\/pre>\n\n\n\nThat is how I see it, we do nothing volitionally but would say we just go with the flow…..:)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Making sure it is the divine flow of course, not the flow of some human leader \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\"For sorcerers, establishing a point of reference means getting a chance to examine intent\" he replied. \"Which is exactly the aim of this final topic of instruction. And nothing can give sorcerers a better view of intent than examining stories of other sorcerers battling to understand the same force.\" <\/pre>\n\n\n\n\"But they are not stories that one can tell as if they were tales. You've got to think your way through them and then rethink them - relive them, so to speak.\"<\/pre>\n\n\n\nSo is this the same as contemplating and following the archetypal heroes journey? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Yeah, I think so, Carlos’s journey was a twist on it but still had the same hallmarks, in that he was innocent, he learned about the truth, he performed a great feat, and returned to write it all down for others.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\"I'm going to tell you a story about the nagual Elias and the manifestation of the spirit. The spirit manifests itself to a sorcerer, especially to a nagual, at every turn. However, this is not the entire truth. The entire truth is that the spirit reveals itself to everyone with the same intensity and consistency, but only sorcerers, and naguals in particular, are attuned to such revelations.\"<\/pre>\n\n\n\nI guess it depends on a persons attention level and the radio frequency range that can be picked up? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Yes. like it’s raining equally on everyone, but you only get wet if you throw away that brolly, and take off your coat and boots \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\"her excess energy and the injurious consequences it would have on her life and well being, and to ask her to join the sorcerers' world, as that would be the only defense against her self-destructive strength\"<\/pre>\n\n\n\nThis reminds me of myself. I was burning out and realised how self destructive my life and mind had become and I had become to myself! <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I’m sorry to read that \ud83d\ude41 You can take solace in that it is not uncommon.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
“he continued. “The only other thing I could add is that because of the man’s absolute unwillingness to understand, the spirit was forced to use trickery. And trickery became the essence of the sorcerers’ path. But that is another story.”<\/p>
I think to view it as trickery is only a human perception made by our limiting minds, maybe?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
It’s a bit chicken & egg for me. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 22\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
That is a very good way to put it. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Once a bigger picture is seen trickery from spirit is actually nothing more than a good move made on our behalf. When the universe conspires. But I would have thought that would be different from the ways in which Don tricked Carlos? Or then again, maybe not?? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Juan’s trickery with Carlos was to shake him out of his knowledge of how the world was just so, and the confidence he’d built up in that model of it over his entire life. I personally got shaken out of it at an early age by migraines making me question the existence of reality \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Don Juan explained that sorcerers understood this abstract core to be a blueprint for events, or a recurrent pattern that appeared every time intent was giving an indication of something meaningful. Abstract cores, then, were blueprints of complete chains of events<\/pre>\n\n\n\nSo is this similar to the teaching that if we do not learn the lesson we are being shown first time, it comes around again, only more extreme, until we get it? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
With my computer programming background I see this a bit differently in that there are underlying patterns to the world that while events and people change, there is a constant blueprint that can be seen and understood. It’s like they say “history doesn’t repeat exactly, but it does rhyme” \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Or is the blueprint for events the recurrence of a mythological character to aspire to? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Well a good example is Neo and each iteration of The Matrix, as explained by the architect in his anomaly speech.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Don Juan explained that every act performed by sorcerers, especially by the naguals, was either performed as a way to strengthen their link with intent or as a response triggered by the link itself. Sorcerers, and specifically the naguals, therefore had to be actively and permanently on the lookout for manifestations of the spirit. Such manifestations were called gestures of the spirit or, more simply, indications or omens<\/pre>\n\n\n\nOmens being signs or messages? Or maybe even synchronicities? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Exactly \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
don Juan said. \"The nagual Elias used to tell me that the whole of humanity has moved away from the abstract, although at one time we must have been close to it. It must have been our sustaining force. And then something happened and pulled us away from the abstract. Now we can't get back to it. He used to say that it takes years for an apprentice to be able to go back to the abstract, that is, to know that knowledge and language can exist independent of each other.\"<\/pre>\n\n\n\nSo I think this refers to the abstract mental realm mentioned in esoteric teachings. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I would agree<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I told you how trance and alcohol were mentioned in their interactive “operations” as they term it, temporary self induced shifts, they say this is where new knowledge comes from.<\/p>
“Abstract” definition:- “Existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.” <\/p>
This explains how abstraction is required to connect the language to the knowledge? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Yes, analogy, metaphor, parable, these are all connecting the abstract to knowledge of a specific thing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
So I would say there is the abstraction of imagination as it works in a child’s mind … Maybe this is what the old seers maintained and so did not lose? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Not sure, abstraction takes time to come in, they are pretty literal when young, it’s like learning about Lady Macbeth and her not being able to get the blood stains off her hands! Its a mental stain, but kids can’t see that.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Don did describe them as being just like children. But if abstraction is what is being used by my mind I don’t see it as imagination, per se but rather it is what my mind naturally does for periods of time and it must be what connects me to the energy of intent? <\/p>
I guess it would be seen as almost mind day dreaming to others but it is actually feels just like a neutral attention or assemblage point to me. As in my consciousness is not grounded but more diffuse. But i think it also has to do with the now once again permanent slowed down brainwaves that maybe also acts as a pull or merge towards that intent? Because I do finally realise the strange fact you pointed out that although I do live in a separate reality I am actually not the one in a trance like state, it is everyone around me. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
And boy is it becoming clearer every day! Mass Formation Psychosis \ud83d\ude41<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I am also constantly trying to put language and terminology to shit that goes on in my head \ud83d\ude00<\/p>
Maybe it is due to such abstract thinking I see everything in all spiritual teachings, symbolically! almost like stories, not literal. They are just perception shifts explained. I would say a good example of assimilations coming from the abstract mind is your creation of your Drew novel. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Hmmm, I had not considered this. My intent was to modernise two compatible philosophies, and build in a story based on my experiences. However I had to abstract some parts of the philosophies to fit, so that would be the assimilations \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I also see everything multidimensionally from all assemblage points of attention and it does not always come with language. Sometimes just via light waves. Then I make attempts to communicate and explain these things as things in a way that may be familiar so it can be understood what I am saying. Hence the vital need for a mutual fund of knowledge and terminology so as to be on the same page, to bounce around with. And why agreed definitions and cross clarification is so important. But I find human language in itself really can be a problem in communication. Hence, my earlier example of how easily we can be subjected to misperceptions. Misunderstandings. But I think I do get the overall philosophy of these teachings by Don and Carlos now. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
These mind qualities and mental abilities I did not fully recognise in the terminology used like dreaming, intent, stalking, seeing etc. nor in the ways they were explained. It all seemed too far fetched and literal for me, but all such teachings do. Same story, played out in a different format but it does make sense that it has to be conjured up in our mind in order for the “sorcerers mind magic” to do its work \ud83d\ude42<\/p>
I have to translate by using symbology, analogy, concepts and metaphors as this is the way my mind seems to work so maybe that is as a result of abstraction? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I’ve heard before, although don’t know where from, that if you cannot give an abstract example to help explain an idea, then you have not understood it yourself \ud83d\ude42 I think abstraction is a very human characteristic.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I see the goal of teachings as a mind set to be attained by comprehending what is being demonstrated, taught, explained and shown.<\/p>
For all the drama to spiritual teachings all they are is simply a human potential psychological capacity or mental capability. But it took some time in order for me to understand these by my processing techniques before I was able to fully recognise them as having been achieved in myself, by my own mind. You know as in … I have got that t-shirt \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
There you go \ud83d\ude42 I think we are in agreement<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
These teachings have really helped me to understand exactly what shamanics is, and how I have been utilising the disciplines and practices. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
\"Then dreamers move their assemblage point erratically and lose their minds.\" <\/pre>\n\n\n\n\"Well, your assemblage point moves almost erratically, because your sexual energy is not in balance.\" <\/pre>\n\n\n\n\"What are you trying to tell me, don Juan?\" I asked because I felt that the subject of dreaming had not been a natural drift in the conversation. <\/pre>\n\n\n\n\"You are a dreamer\" he said. \"If you're not careful with your sexual energy, you might as well get used to the idea of erratic shifts of your assemblage point. A moment ago you were bewildered by your reactions. Well, your assemblage point moves almost erratically, because your sexual energy is not in balance.\" <\/pre>\n\n\n\nI made a stupid and inappropriate comment about the sex life of adult males. <\/pre>\n\n\n\n\"Our sexual energy is what governs dreaming,\" he explained. \"The nagual Elias taught me - and I taught you - that you either make love with your sexual energy or you dream with it. There is no other way. The reason I mention it at all is because you are having great difficulty shifting your assemblage point to grasp our last topic: the abstract. <\/pre>\n\n\n\n\"The same thing happened to me,\" don Juan went on. \"It was only when my sexual energy was freed from the world that everything fit into place. That is the rule for dreamers\" <\/pre>\n\n\n\nCan you make sense of this? Does it mean an individuals own male\/female sexual energy not in balance? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Here we have a connection to Tantra and the sublimation of sexual energy, to save it and use it differently. To send it up the spine maybe \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Although that does not seem to have been an issue or contemplation for Don. Or does it refer to their Kundalini sex\/Eros\/life force as in the carnal mind and 3d matrix level that is not balanced? Kundalini. I know we all have kundalini, it is the base energy life\/sex force\/Eros that all humans have and that is Kundalini energy but I would say with a small k. Basic instincts and lower activated chakras for lower realm activities. But I think it has different applications, strengths and frequencies in creative manifestation, depending on the assemblage point of attention or maybe intention, but I am thinking about when Kundalini with a capital K, is activated in the awakened and can be put to a higher use of creation as it flows through the realms of the mind in the higher mental, intellect, abstract, spiritual and divine realms. On a more cosmic level. <\/p>
Is using it for those purposes what Don meant by his sexual energy being freed from the world? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I would say so \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
This is how the esoteric teaching explains to be the way to gain new knowledge. So it seems there is a correlation to the same teaching here, with Don Juan’s, but it does not mention K energy directly. But then neither does the esoterics. So in both disciplines it is taught that knowledge is acquired by “intent” Is intent Like a purpose?<\/p>
Question : do you agree with the concept that I see as little k and big K, and can you put it any differently? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I’m not sure I really understand the difference and I’ve not divided it like that in my own thinking. I don’t even subscribe to Yoga view of the stages of Kundalini rising through chakras as my experience was of it happening all at once, toe to top \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
And is it in any way similar to what you explained as there is a difference between kundalini energy as it works through the Ida\/Pingula route and when it involves the Sushumna?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Here I’ve taken the literal word of the books, and don’t know any more. I’d love to know for example why there are two Nadis either side of Sushumna, and while the literature say a rising of the Kundalini shakti through either of those causes problems, I don’t know what issues can be ascribed to which Nadi. Not sure it has been documented.
In conclusion I’ve always felt that as the Castaneda books go on, they get less coherent, seem to contradict earlier writing, and just seem to bloom into incomprehensible ideas. So you are in that territory now. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\nJane 22\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Can you please clarify this I can read it more than one way \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 22\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
What I meant to say was you are reading some of the last\/latest books now and they move away from the core ideas and concepts into more difficult to grasp ideas. I gave up after reading the art of dreaming and haven’t read the later books. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 21\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Don’t even get me started on Tensegrity! \ud83d\ude00<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Jane 22\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Lol. I don’t know what you mean and I had to google the term.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Tensegrity is the modern version of magical passes: movements and positions of body and breath discovered by men and women shamans who lived in Mexico in ancient times, and taught to Carlos Castaneda, Florinda Donner-Grau, Taisha Abelar and Carol Tiggs by their teacher, don Juan Matus, a Yaqui Indian from Sonora, Mexico and Yuma Arizona, and the heir to the lineage of those ancient shamans. <\/pre>\n\n\n\nThe word Tensegrity was coined by architect and dreamer R. Buckminster Fuller, and is a combination of tension and integrity, which Carlos Castaneda saw as a perfect description of the driving forces of the magical passes, and of the way of being that don Juan Matus taught him: giving equal attention to all parts of our being, all aspects of our actions with others, all parts of the scene we are in, and how they interrelate.<\/pre>\n\n\n\nSounds to include physical practices, apart from being fully present in our attention I am still not really sure what it means \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n
Laz 22\/10\/21:<\/p>\n\n\n\n