A Brief History Of The Future – Chapters 1-3

Laz 15/02/22:

Foreword:

Funny we were just talking about Hitler’s crimes, here he gets a mention on the first page! 😀

Jane 15/02/22:

I know, it is like a synchronicity in our continuity of communications  🙂

Laz 15/02/22:

History obeys laws that allow us to make predictions and channel its course 

Wow! that’s some claim. Can you imagine if this were actually true? and yes I am suggesting that it can’t be done! But we will see

Jane 15/2/22:

I agree with you, I don’t think something like history has laws to be “obeyed” that seems the wrong word? and I certainly do not think that man can accurately predict anything as we are an evolutionary process, Nor have the power to channel its course. There are too many variables many yet unknown.

Then there are many unseen forces at work. For example the world had not encountered something like Covid on his watch. That really exacerbated an already mass psychosis of idiocracy in response that could not have been predicted even if a virus in general had been. 

I mean many decision makers don’t even yet know or understand that there are obscure universal laws affecting man himself and until they are factored in then man will continue in his ignorance. But in the case of the way empires rise and fall then I guess that could be seen as a cyclic thing? 

Laz 15/02/22:

Using our hindsight now, it’s interesting from this chapter’s bullet point list that the author has straight away disproved his prior statement about predicting the future. The only thing that comes close is the authoritarian police regime one!

Jane 15/02/22:

Yes I agree with you, The negative aspects of these bullet points sounds to me like a list of many of his own projected fears and a pessimistic mindset. As with many people it is fortunate he did not have the power to create the future with his thoughts! 

Laz 15/02/22:

I think he is probably right about money becoming the only law of the land, but this is not something he came up with and certainly was known decades before 2006 when this book was written. I still remember the scene from that Network movie about there being no nations and no governments, but one wholistic system of multinational dominion of dollars!

Jane 15/02/22:

I am not understanding this?  🙂

Laz 15/02/22:

So this guy, Ned in the movie pretty much says the same thing a Jacques: 

Jane 15/02/22:

Yes that is a great representation in a video clip 🙂 Calling it “The galactic order” of things is going a bit far. lol. I am sure at that macrocosmic level it is not even a consideration. Lol. 

Laz 15/02/22:

This idea of hyperconflict and hyperdemocracy ushering in a one world government and basically a utopia seems like a pipe dream of the foolish to me! I mean can you imagine what a balls up the world would be if Boris were its president! the thought makes me shudder! When you have the worst people and the most selfish rolling this NWO stuff out, it doesn’t look like a good idea, even if it can be justified as such. 

Jane 15/02/22:

I think you understand this kind of stuff better than me so I may sound a bit dim at times 🙂 I do not see how there could be a one world government as I would have thought the world as a whole is too diverse in things like religion and culture so I don’t get how that could even work? 

Unless any New World Order is headed by enlightened beings it will always fall short of morals and be subject to corruption. And even if that was possible they would probably be prime targets for elimination? I would say that it is more likely that a new world order would have to mean something more like a new world ordered way of thinking for humanity? 

Laz 15/02/22:

“Dictatorship will vanish” 
HA! Nice joke 😀

Jane 15/02/22:

Do you think that is something deeply embedded in the human ego? Or maybe like the two sides of the same coin, the opposite being democracy? 

Laz 15/02/22:

Sadly yes, and it is a facet one can starve, or feed. I would say the opposite of dictatorship is freedom, but yes 🙂

Jane 16/02/22:

As you said and I agree even democracy the way it is sold today does not seem to be the same as freedom. It is more like a pseudo democracy to me. 

Laz 16/02/22:

Oh, and it’s so transparent too! The more they shout democracy, the less it looks like one 🙁

Jane 16/02/22:

I mean it is all such a cyclic and complex mix that does seem to go around and around getting humanity nowhere up to now! 

Laz 15/02/22:

I do get the feeling from the part you shared before and my own observation there is a kind of sub-game being played in the world, and it is that all the existing structures and authorities are being made to reveal their true horrible nature, as a way of causing the good people to start building something betters. But I might just be dreaming!

Jane 15/02/22:

I do not believe it is impossible and I know that I go on about energies but here is where I think they come into their own, the law of energy is that higher vibrations will transmute the lower it cannot happen the other way around as lower energy frequencies do not have the power to drag them downwards. Also truth holds a much higher vibration and no matter how deep they try to bury it or cover it up it will always surface. It has to. I actually think the age of truth is upon us 🙂 I think when the going get tough it is a kind of natural law of order that will trigger those good people to come to the fore. I like to think there are a lot of sheepdogs out there 🙂 

Laz 15/02/22:

While I personally would like to see the whole rotten empire of money fall as the author suggests, I don’t know his my view or his is possible. Looking at the last two years people have too much investment in the current systems, no matter how bad they are, just to let them fail. And I think it is fear that causes the whole filthy abomination to hold together. That is why I want to push for parallel structures and my chosen are has been spirituality because that’s perhaps where I have something novel to say!

Jane 15/02/22:

Do you not think that this work could maybe be lacking in that very thing? Spirituality? 

Laz 15/02/22:

I don’t know which work you refer to but clearly the world is missing it!

Jane 15/02/22:

I was referring to this guys work lacking a spiritual component. But I am not sure about that yet 🙂

Jane 15/02/22:

I have noticed that for some reason spirituality is always degraded by some as some kind of joke? I am not talking religion or some airy fairy beliefs but the sort of spirituality that we KNOW exists because we are living examples of its existence. A universal psycho-spiritual law. Those with no T-shirt just don’t seem to get it, they remain topless 🙂 And without which I would say that the picture is not a complete one, it remains in the dark. 

Laz 15/02/22:

I agree 🙂

Jane 15/02/22:

Can you define exactly what a parallel structure is for me? I am not quite sure I understand it 🙂 Is it like something that runs or stands along side? 

Laz 15/02/22:

Yes, exactly. if one does not like the way a shop operates, set up a competing shop, if one does not like the way a government works, set up your own and invite people to become citizens of it, if you don’t like the way organised religion controls peoples access to “god” and uses them to fight unjust wars, set up your own system and show them they can connect with the source individually 🙂

Jane 15/02/22:

I think that the greatest minds as history does show are the balanced scientific philosophers.

Laz 15/02/22:

Most of my heroes are philosophers 🙂

Laz 15/02/22:

Chapter 1
I’m surprised by the author’s groupings of power as: Religion, Military, and Mercantile. These seem to me not genuine power and somewhat removed from power as a middleman is removed from the producer and the customer.

Jane 15/02/22:

Well I agree they are not what I would call genuine power but does this maybe mean like in countries where church and state are not separate so are ruled by religion in places like Iran or Saudi Arabia or where the military take power in the way countries like Myanmar or Egypt currently are ruled? 

Laz 15/02/22:

that’s a good point, I’d been thinking about old Blighty but I think you might have correctly shifted my perspective there 🙂

Jane 16/02/22:

To me, I know our country is far from perfect and run by idiots but overall when I consider the alternatives of the hellholes I could be living in, there is nowhere else I would rather live 🙂 My Husband and I used to have this rose coloured perspective about living in America, but now….no way Jose! 😀 

Laz 16/02/22:

No way, San Jose 😀 I know, I also feel lucky to have been born here in this country. The weather isn’t all it could be, too many grey wet days for my liking, but if that is the only down side, I’ll take it 🙂

Jane 15/02/22:

What are the Mercantiles, does that mean the big corporations? Like the silicon valley type? 

Laz 15/02/22:

It is the merchant class, of what ever size and shape you can imagine 🙂

Jane 15/02/22:

Genuine to me means authentic or approved and not forced. 

Laz 15/02/22:

I was thinking that he wasn’t being genuine when thinking about the western culture, but with your insight he is probably right about the middle east.

Laz 15/02/22:

I can’t think why the government is absent, or the elite, or a producer in terms of intellectual, technological, or agricultural. Maybe these things will become clear as I read on!

Jane 15/02/22:

Yeah that is strange to omit these obvious powers? But maybe he is deflecting here because is that not the areas he himself had influence and control over? 

Laz 15/02/22:

If he’s going to use these three as indicators of historical events that can be analysed to prophecy future events I think he’s going to get it wrong!

Jane 15/02/22:

Well it is possible that he could be building his arguments here on sand instead of solid foundations? As so many seem to do. Maybe he fancies himself as a bit of a mystic meg? Lol. 

Laz 15/02/22:

I would say so and to address a later point of yours I think that he is one of those salesmen that promises a lot and delivers little, but we will see. I would say he is massaging the egos of the elite with this writing, but he is no shaman, as if he were he’d be a lot closer to the truth 🙂

Jane 16/02/22:

Yeah, you can always tell, cant you 🙂

Jane 16/02/22:

Well I would have thought that maybe in previous roles he held that would be a required trait. 

Laz 16/02/22:

Uh huh. I must admit that where I learnt about this book they claimed it as a handbook for the elites.

Jane 15/02/22:

Could be a case of his own perceptions? His own theories? Who knows, maybe even his own agenda? As you say we will see? 

Jane 15/02/22:

I think I can see his agenda leaking through with those weird little comments scattered here and there!

Laz 15/02/22:

I’m very confused as to how he links cannibalism to consumption in relationships (presumably not consumption of human flesh!) Does that make any sense to you?

Jane 15/02/22:

I am not sure, when it says ” ingestion of the strength of the ancestors” does he mean literally eating the dead? Lol. I understood cannibalism amongst warriors was when people thought that by devouring something they take on the perceived qualities of what they were consuming, like the strength of an enemy? 

Laz 15/02/22:

“Eating life to evade death, an instinct that still prevails today” What on earth is he on about? This makes me think of Alex Jones like conspiracies of spirit cooking with the Clintons! 

Jane 15/02/22:

What? Can you elaborate on this ? Sounds funny 🙂 

Laz 15/02/22:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/spirit-cooking-explained-satanic-ritual-or-fun-dinner.html

Jane 15/02/22:

Does it mean eating things like meat to survive? Or any organic living produce? I mean that is technically eating life as a necessity for life I would have thought? 

Laz 15/02/22:

Wouldn’t the victim have to be alive though? If I eat a burger, the cow is long since dead!

Jane 16/02/22:

Yeah, not sure what he means by that then 🙂 

Laz 15/02/22:

“The sacred legitimizes taboos” I’m not really liking these little undercurrents that keep exposing themselves, and makes me wonder what on earth am I about to read next!?!

Jane 15/02/22:

I interpreted this as the way nothing was actually taboo before we put sin onto it, and thus made it a taboo for example things like incest in primitive tribes would have be seen as acceptable and probably quite normal as they knew no different? Until the likes of the Christian missionaries came to town 🙂

Laz 15/02/22:

Yep I get that, but which of the remaining sins is still taboo and the one he is referring to here? it goes unmentioned thus far.

Laz 15/02/22:

It’s interesting to me in this documented history of humans that it must have been the intelligent one who came up with these advances of silos or mating domesticated animals, and thus the intelligent were the rebels who went against the status quo and quite possibly these were the leaders of tribes.

Jane 15/02/22:

Exactly, I think maybe the real intelligencia are the rare ones that as you say must have been leaders? 

Laz 15/02/22:

Those tribes less intelligent died out and nature had a natural way of sorting the wheat from the chaff. But now in the 21st century things are all backwards, with the intelligent being shunned and advances for the tribe being shut out to maintain the status quo at all costs.

Jane 15/02/22:

Maybe that is part of the materialistic greed that seems to underlie most things these days, at all cost! Oh and maybe evidence of the narcissistic tendencies at play? 

Laz 15/02/22:

Yes, I think that has a part to play

Laz 15/02/22:

And unfortunately there are no consequences for the tribe by doing this, lives no longer depend on the intellect, and blanks float to the surface! 

Jane 15/02/22:

Yeah it is a strange phenomenon, that does not make any sense like the way failure seems to be what is celebrated and rewarded. Responsibility and accountability are sorely lacking amongst the supposed advocates.  And even the knighthood is nothing but a scam. It all needs a good shake up! 

Laz 15/02/22:

It is also interesting that the three categories of history which the author mentioned earlier have yet to appear!
I’m just thinking now, rather than the thee categories being the seats of power, maybe they are rather the three modes of thought that people fall into naturally, you know am I a Shaman, a Spiritual seeker, or a salesman?

Jane 15/02/22:

I have not read enough as yet to get a measure of this guys mind.I think that like many he maybe he has a limited mindset on certain things? It is all well and good being knowledgeable in specific areas but maybe he is no Jacques of all trades. 😀 

Laz 15/02/22:

Very Good 😀 I mean he seems intelligent but I rather fear he is framing someone else’s agenda for public consumption

Jane 15/02/22:

Background check…..

What a weird picture, makes him look like an interrogator. Lol. 

Jacques Attali is a French economic and social theorist, writer, political adviser and senior civil servant, who served as a counselor to President François Mitterrand from 1981 to 1991, and was the first head of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development from 1991 to 1993. Still not sure what to make of him? 🙂

So what category would you put this author into? Lol.

Laz 15/02/22:

So as above with my prior comment I think he’s a salesman for the elite, making their agenda seem scientific and reasonable so in a sense he is a shaman but not a correct one, and actually much more of a Septic Peg 😀

Jane 16/02/22:

Love the Brian Connoly septic Peg, that used to make me laugh 😀 

I did not know what to make of that article on the dinner with spirit thing. I mean I get what they are saying about the Clinton bit but It was like a down the rabbit hole into a black hole to me? And got a bit psychotic.

Laz 16/02/22:

Oh it most certainly is 🙂

Jane 16/02/22:

When it comes to Alister Crowley, I know he was seen as a beast but I don’t actually think he was. He came across to me like he was one of those spiritual beings that was just maybe highly sexed.

Laz 16/02/22:

I’ve not read any of his books but watched a few documentaries about him, to try and get a feel for what he was all about. I’m still not sure what to make of him after all this time. I’m sure he was a massive Narcissist and liked to push boundaries for the attention, and his chosen area was the occult. But I’m still on the fence as to whether he was evil or not. I do know he died penniless and alone, so maybe that was his karma for all that he did! 

Jane 16/02/22:

It seems to have been a thing with these old occultist dabbling in bodily fluids I have read about that in stuff on alchemy before. It is a bit crazy the things people believe. Thinking about it now that too was emphasizing the white ( sperm) and red ( menstrual blood) and I wonder if that was their interpretation of the so called red and white phases we have discussed in alchemy? 

Laz 16/02/22:

I’m not really to sure about the red King and White Queen stuff, it almost seems inverted to the idea of bringing together blood and sperm as alchemical symbols, but who knows?

Jane 16/02/22:

I got the impression that a lot of what he said was misinterpreted. Like when he talked about “sacrificing children” it was tongue in cheek in the days that masturbation’s was seen as a sin. He meant releasing his sperm was the sacrifice rather than using it for procreation. I think he got a kick out of being misunderstood. I have read his book of the law and it is all meant to be taken as symbolic and made kind of sense to me. But a lot of it is sex talk in disguise. So controversial was it that it says in the book to destroy it once you have read it? Lol. 

Jane 16/02/22:

I have been contemplating the forms of power mentioned in this book 🙂 Religious, Military, Mercantile. I would say that all of these are evident as ruling forces currently seen around the world. We added.. political and Elite.  
Would you say those two powers as examples are evident in Britain and America? 

Laz 16/02/22:

Well I’m somewhat confused now, as the three Jacques started with seem to be the dominant classes in history, but when I look around at Britain I don’t see it, especially over the last 2 years. The Religious power is gone, and the mercantile one has been greatly reduced, or shipped abroad, and the military has been shrunk in size since the 70’s.

Jane 18/02/22:

I am pretty sure that if you go back far enough at some time in the past these ruling powers have been in situ in Britain.  I think all countries go through them at some stage or other. We have just moved on. Even today countries all seem to be at different stages of evolution and despite their interrelations. I would say that humanity itself has gone from savagery to civilisation in it’s natural progression that is still evident to some degree in different stages across the globe. 
But I do think that America is not run by the government but by the money men. It is all about who has the most dollars and employ the best lobbyists. Worse so than here. 

Laz 16/02/22:

So I still class the rulers as the elite families, and Government has certainly been swinging its girth about lately too.

Jane 16/02/22:

Would you class today’s elite as the Mercantile? 

Laz 16/02/22:

No, the elite are the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, the Bush’s and Obama’s, the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha’s and the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg’s !

Jane 18/02/22:

Oh ok, I don’t really know much about such people. Those two names are a gobfull! 😀 

Jane 16/02/22:

As you pointed out funny how he omitted them two specifically when his job was working for them? I mean he was the advisor to the French president? 
Then you have ideologies. Communism, Dictatorship, Marxism, Liberalism, Democracy, etc.

I was thinking about a new kind of governance of natural selection as a sort of Self determination. Maybe that was how it used to be done? 

Laz 16/02/22:

Yes, but one has to consider those less able to succeed, and many would perish in a survival of the fittest scenario. 

Jane 16/02/22:

As you said it would be a sort of natural selection sorting the wheat from the chaff regarding leaders. 

Laz 1602/22:

I don’t know, i’ve always liked the idea of putting them in an arena Star Trek style and let them fight it out! At least the winner would have some qualities other than the ability to lie convincingly!

Jane 18/02/22:

Yeah wouldn’t it be much better if we could do this with the immature leaders instead of dragging whole countries into their pathetic conflicts. ….Fight! 

Jane 16/02/22:

Two of the questions asked in his bullet point list..
Will new technologies make new forms of dictatorship possible? 

Laz 16/02/22:

I’m not so sure, like any technology (and I’m a fan of tech) it’s what you do with it that counts. Guns don’t shoot people on their own, you have to have a human involved to aim and pull the trigger.

Jane 18/02/22:

Exactly! It is what you do with it that counts. Yes and it is the same thing that technology does not dictate to the people on it’s own it requires the controller to weaponise it.

Jane 16/02/22:

Well yes that is already in progress. Will a dominant new religion or ideology emerge? 

Laz 16/02/22:

I would suggest that Islam is being placed front and centre as the world religion to come.

Jane 16/02/22:

Interesting what Einstein said about that future religion being a Cosmic one, I am wondering if maybe it is the future ideology that will be Cosmic? 

Laz 16/02/22:

I think that there is always this “better way” lurking behind the ruler’s ways of doing things. However as with now it is suppressed and due to it’s empathic nature it will never take the centre stage as it shuns that power. Instead the leaders will always subscribe to some terrible ideology that grants them power and subjugates the population 🙁

Jane 16/02/22:

If the New World Order is, as I suggested meant to be a new ordered way of thinking then it is possible that the new ideology could be self determining? Like come about organically? An evolutionary kind of a sort of spiritual- ideology? Level up the whole paradigm? Is that possible? 

Laz 16/02/22:

As above I would suggest that the best possible human solution would be to let those wicked leaders do their thing, as long as there is balance for the enlightened to be free to do their thing under them. The two things don’t naturally compete unless the powerful decide to move on those without power. 

Jane 16/02/22:

“set up your own system and show them they can connect with the source individually :)”
I would think that the ultimate in a freedom ideology 🙂 Like I said true genuine power is agreed and not forced and is therefore the only Power that is sustainable long term.  

Laz 16/02/22:

I honestly believe that we are a people divided by ego and egoless (or by narcissism and empathy), and the two can’t agree on how to run the whole. I feel like the earth should be divided in half and let the two classes migrate to where they can comfortable.

Jane 18/02/22:

I said exactly the same thing to my Husband yesterday; that those that want to fight and those that want to live in peace should inhabit two separate spaces 🙂 

Jane 18/02/22:

There is a huge difference between the countries  in the governments agenda and control of that technology. How free are the minds/psyches that are using it? What software programs are being downloaded? The human psyche is the most complex and gullibly vulnerable part of man. Here in Great Britain I would say we are relatively free, we don’t even have ID cards, including free in our use of technology but in a country like China the information they collect is so multilevel right down to the bio data of their citizens. It would not surprise me if the covid swabs were analyzed for their DNA?  😀

Laz 18/02/22:

Well this happened the other day so there must be something to it: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/why-world-leaders-are-refusing-to-give-russia-their-dna/ar-AAU1LHs

Jane 18/02/22:

Even the mnews feed and what they can access is all controlled . Some of their own history is forbidden to be mentioned, erased from their history in education. Just mentioning the Tienham Square massacre is grounds for arrest. That ain’t no Hello Google country. Lol. It is so highly censored that i would say their dictator governing model is making extremely good use of that new form of government dictatorship using technology. It must be like a bloody godsend to them. There are over a billion of them so imagine upsetting them natives 😀

Laz 18/02/22:

Jane 18/02/22:

They are one paranoid government!  All dictatorships are! I mean I could say the same on a much lesser scale about America 🙂 On a much smaller scale this was exactly what the covid passport technology concept was all about. That is how it works. Both ways. For potential positive or negative to control.  It seems to me part of human nature in that what one man can use, another man will abuse.

It depends on the intent of use of technology by the individual governments, like was it genuinely well meaning for public good, even if it was idiotically thought out and mismanaged. As in a temporary thing believing we are only as strong as our weakest links kind of thing? Or a permanent agenda? It would be the same practice, different intent and motive. You can tell the underlying motive by how governments will then roll back on such undemocratic temporary controls as we are currently witnessing.  

China seems to be increasing their tight grip on technology…..

The latest restrictions, announced at the end of August, limit gamers under the age of 18 to playing only between the hours of 8pm and 9pm on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and statutory holidays. This change was an update to a 2019 rule that limited minors to 90 hours of gameplay per day and three hours on holidays

Why Does China Dislike Gaming? According to a South China Morning Post report, the Chinese government sees video games as something that brings extreme addiction to the people. The state-sponsored media coined the term “spiritual opium” after comparing its effects to an addictive medication back in August.19 Nov 2021
Sounds like a strange term to use ? 

Laz 18/02/22:

Yeah, I think it’s more to do with the subversive content in a lot of games.

Jane 18/02/22:

I think it depends what sort of powers are in control as to how free technology and information is…

Jane 18/02/22:

Chapter 2

Bit of a long winded history lesson there, but a reminder of how different things were before things like education for the masses or even the printed word. 

Laz 20/02/22:

This chapter is pretty dull, but as I’m reading it I am daydreaming about one point raised in the book. What is it that we trade today? Like what are the silk road products in the 21st century. Is it cars, computers, weapons? Maybe we’ve come so far that predominant trade is of information about individuals, and their likes/dislikes, health status, and financial status!

Jane 21/02/22:

Yeah I think you are right. Also maybe in the covert sale of things like bio data? 

Jane 18/02/22:

Reminds me of how zoo like the world has always been during mans evolution. And still is! To me zoology is not much different to anthropology and has clear correlations :)Maybe that is the symbology of the ark? 😀

Laz 21/02/22:

Interesting! I guess you subscribe to Darwinian evolution then 🙂

Jane 21/02/22:

When I think about it I have found that I do not fully subscribe to any thing or any one! Be that in science, religion or philosophy, I cannot say I fully resonate with any of it. 

Laz 21/02/22:

I agree, for me there is only our lifetime that counts, and no matter what we are told to believe or what the history books say, my universe began when I was born, and will end when I die. In that respect the creation of the world is irrelevant. It is only as real as I have experienced it, so i don’t waste my time with speculation as to whether it was created by god, or evolved through species, as this is irrelevant. Instead I look around at what it is and ask who am I in this place? Sure I learn from others from the past, but their existence to me is as believable or unbelievable as a Disney cartoon, and it just doesn’t matter to their teachings. Donald Duck is as real and Gopi Krishna, and this is why I cannot worship him like some do. I’ve learnt as much from Road Runner as I have from Mrs Gurney; my actual maths teacher at school. Knowledge is the important part for me, and advancing the human condition such that maybe people won’t be bored and try to become a robot! There is so much more to being a human than most think is possible.

Jane 21/02/22:

If I am honest I am still not sure what to make of Darwin’s theory of evolution. From a biological perspective I guess Darwin makes sense to me but as with all such sciences it is very one dimensional as there is no consideration given to any of the psycho-spiritual aspects of evolution. To me the most important especially when it comes to the progressive evolution in conscious awareness of humans. Things to me have to be viewed multidimensionally because it is how my mind works. This is where I believe the mystery of Kundalini energy rising comes into it’s own in evolution.

Laz 21/02/22:

It was interesting to me in that Nobel winning scientist video you shared, that he did not understand the multiverse the way I do and I was quite confused by this. His view was of competition and of winning the one reality, thus the “failed” universes were in the ether, and not real. For me we move through the multiverse all the time and with every statement or decision we make we leap from one universe to the next, with our consciousness the only part that stays still. It’s like a grid of universes laid out before us and we move seamlessly into one from the other. Things seem consistent only because we as humans hold the majority of the multiverse together through agreement on what should be or not be. I subscribe to that idea that we are all gods and have forgotten the truth, so we all conjure the reality we perceive together, and if anyone tries to change it then there are others who force it back to the way it was. Thus magic is rare and can only be carried out in places where no-one is looking, or is conscious off, and therefore it is rare and can only act on small unnoticeable things which can change under the radar of the human consciousness as a whole. It is this that allows for the theory of quantum mechanics and butterfly theory, but it is not as the blanks describe it. I feel like I’m treading over ground we’ve covered before so I’ll stop 🙂

Jane 21/02/22:

When I describe humanity as zoo like I am not being flippant or demeaning, i mean that you can see the correlation of behaviours in things like the ants nest or bee hive set up of dynamics where individual units have no autonomy and are working for the whole as in workers, soldiers, nursery carers, food suppliers, builders and of course the Queen at the helm. 

Laz 21/02/22:

This reminds me, did you see any video out of Ottawa Canada over the weekend? My god! those police are like soldier ants, they aren’t human! 

Jane 21/02/22:

Then you have the smaller family dynamics such as communes with shared living and surviving, as with the meerkat group or you see lone family units, then there are the packs headed by the Alpha male and females or cases where males roam amongst multiple groups with no input but to breed. Then you have monogamous animals that pair bond for life, these are the kind of correlations that I see and mean 🙂 

Laz 21/02/22:

I mean you have highlighted my point about zoology there, you’ve taken the human aspect out like these poor chumps never had chance in life, they were born blanks and will die as blanks. I can’t bring myself to accept this, I was a nothing. I came from a nothing family, by rights my parents are blanks, and theirs before them, and on and on. Yet, Something in me awoke, and surely it can in anyone given the right conditions. I have to believe this I guess as otherwise i have blanks for children and my awakening is just a fluke and will not be a hereditary thing. I have been perhaps too harsh on my mother, who appears to have had an abortive awakening, due to fear! I think if she could squash that fear and put it in it’s box, she could fully awaken 🙂 You could call this a hopeless optimism for our species maybe!

Jane 21/02/22:

I think the only unique one I have found in animals is where a male gives birth and tends the young as in the case of the sea horse, where the female does nothing but provide the eggs!  Lol. And when I compare these dynamics and corelate them with psycho-spirituality the hive like mentality would be seen in the flock or church congregations as compared to the solitary spiritual lone wolf 🙂 Then if you take the planet as a whole and its diversity i see it as a planetary zoo whereby some countries are like different enclosures where predators roam and see people as prey, kill them for their land or resources and others are in more civilized groupings or inhabited by sheep with the surrounding sheep dogs. There are  carnivores and the herbivores. It is just the way my mind works 🙂 

Laz 21/02/22:

Well this happens for sure so I cannot argue here, and I’ve both witnessed it and protected others, and been the victim of it and been chased off by the human wolves. It’s sad though, that maybe with the exception of Chimpanzees, no other species is as bad to it’s own kind as humans are to each other. I’m reminded now of an Irish guy I worked with called Victor and what he went through. I provided the attached statement to HR in his defence. 

Jane 18/02/22:

I kind of see history, much as today as a bunch of kids in a playground vying for toys and attention but I guess that is how overall progress works and man seems to be still in his infancy in a lot of ways. 

Laz 21/02/22:

I mean that could describe a lot of human behaviour at the moment, but i’m not sure it has always been that way. Maybe I have rose coloured glasses looking back at prior generations but it all seems so much more sensible than what we have to live with today.

Jane 21/02/22:

I think we are all prone to rose coloured glasses especially of the bygone ages and i do get what you are saying and I can only go by my own experience of this but I think we were seen or perceived as having more common sense in the past but maybe that is because there were less complexities to be considered? 

Laz 21/02/22:

It is hard to say. I’m not sure life was any less complex in the past, and I don’t perceive our times as particularly complex. To me the same shit was going on back then, and the only discernible difference was that there were less people back in any time in history! I’m always conscious of that old American Indian saying “never trust the white man” and I’m convinced it still holds 200 years later 🙂

Jane 21/02/22:

When I discuss things with my Husband I have noticed that even what was once deemed good old fashioned common sense is relative and therefore has to evolve with the times.

Laz 21/02/22:

I don’t think that makes it wrong, just that the political environment has changed. Most common sense is still correct but whether you can say it in polite company is the part that is different!

Laz 21/02/22:

I place our time now as like it would have been for the Incans at the end of their cultures, they went bonkers, and we seem to be doing the same.

Jane 21/02/22:

Yeah, I am cracking up at this 😀  I don’t know why I just find some things so funny? It’s just my sense of humour 🙂 

One big difference between humans and animals is the kind of human idiocracy that is not seen in the animal kingdom,  like this example of what you get for messing with the natural order due to things like cultural beliefs that females are inferior added to the past one child policy of China and allowing gender selection.  I mean, duh’ who did not see the inevitable consequences coming? …

Nothing like this has happened in human history. A combination of cultural preferences, government decree and modern medical technology in the world’s two largest countries has created a gender imbalance on a continental scale. Men outnumber women by 70 million in China and India. The consequences of having too many men, now coming of age, are far-reaching

Jane 18/02/22:

So a few things that caught my eye were….

The Buddhism and Hinduism period, “the great turning point of which we are still the heirs and of which the future will long  bear the traces- Asia sets out to free man from his desires, while the West seeks to make him free to realise them” This seems to be the major difference.

Laz 21/02/22:

Yeah, and I’m not sure that this guy has it correct. You know, I’ve learnt enough now not to just blindly believe experts and take them at their word.

Jane 21/02/22:

And I would say that should be added into this very work as a  “lesson for the future” 🙂 

Laz 21/02/22:

For Jacques to say that people think that mass materialism brings them closer to god and makes them more worthy, I cannot relate to this in my lifetime. I don’t know of anyone who has expressed this ideal? Sure someone with a new car may feel superior, but that is only in success in business terms, not in becoming more likely to enter the gates of heaven. 

Jane 21/02/22:

No but as an example do you not think that such organisations as the Vatican or the Church of England could be included in that mindset? 

Laz 21/02/22:

I don’t but maybe I read that section from Jacques wrong! I thought it was about personal materialism brings the individual closer to god! It’s like the Led Zeppelin Stairway to Heaven song, you can’t buy your way into heaven! 

Jane 21/02/22:

I mean I get that it is a form of reverence but even some Buddhist and Hindu temples and their idols are decorated and steeped in gold? In that sense I think Islam has the right idea of not having such iconic concepts to worship but without such elaborations maybe the representation of the importance of the symbology behind the teachings gets lost especially to the lower minded? It is a difficult one in catering for all levels. 

Jane 18/02/22:

One of the things of great contrast to me when I lost all sense of materialism is in the percieved value on things like gold, to me it is now just a lump of metal! I get that it has trading value to the world view but I don’t even posses one item of jewelry as it lost its importance to me. I know where I would rather lay my treasures and I am quite happy with the tree branch 😀

Laz 21/02/22:

I agree, and this reflects my belief that something worked for is more valuable personally than something expensive given to you, even if your effort was for something invisible like enlightenment! When I see someone now with something expensive like a new car I just see a huge burden placed on them! Status does not equal real Value.

Jane 21/02/22:

I have tended to look upon the change in forces as having been one of the age of the ego but I think you are right that it is actually the age of narcissism that was born.

Laz 21/02/22:

I think smart phones and social media are to blame for this, sadly 🙁

Jane 21/02/22:

Yes, I think that too that it really has taken narcissism to a new level. I actually feel for people in the self induced psychological pressures this technology has put people under. Much like a self cast spell by peering into the mirror, mirror on the wall whilst looking into the glass darkly has in a twisted way kind of divorced people from a truer sense of reality or their real selves. It is certainly a strange, almost sci-fi psycho kind of world we seem to be currently living in 🙂 I just cannot emphasise enough the differences I can now see between the pre technology and information era to that of today having spanned both within my own lifetime experience 🙂

The closest in a comparison would be for people to just imagine all of the satellite systems and all communications being knocked out, all phones and computers going down. A total shut down of connections or access to information. Left alone in just their individual mind universe. How would they cope? I think the older generations would be much less affected. Peoples minds today are so plugged into that part of the matrix, without their smartphones they would go ballistic! And in which case as you pointed out i would have thought the more narcissistic the personality, the worse the psychological effects. 

Jane 21/02/22:

I am not saying it is necessarily a bad thing as I suppose it is just those dualistic forces at play? It is almost like man has to push differences to the extremes. 

As early as the 17th century, a group of puritans from England decree that succeeding materially is a way of proving to oneself that one belongs to the elect of God, with rights of entry to paradise

Boy did they get that wrong! I think the simpler the way of life and the less onus put on materialism the more contentment can be found. Wealth is certainly no status belonging to the elect of God whatever they may believe. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than the rich man to go through the gates of heaven… (enter the higher dimensions) :)All of life to me can be seen as symbolic as in our projecting and seeking to explore outwardly what we can only find within. Space is not the final frontier, our consciousness is 🙂 

Laz 21/02/22:

Yes!

Jane 21/02/22:

Lesson for the future: a new communications technology, seen as a centralizing influence, turns out to be the implacable enemy of the powers that be

Yes I can see that and as i’Il say why the likes of China are keeping a tight grip over the control of technological communications. It will happen one day but could you imagine over a billion people uprising against such a centralised control? That is the Chinese government’s greatest fear. ( I’d probably get a visit just for typing these words in this email if we lived in China. :D)

Laz 20/02/22:

It is interesting to me that this chapter highlights why the great cities of Europe were great. It had not occurred to me before (and it might simply be one aspect that the author is highlighting) that it was being a hub of exchange was the key to their greatness. It was that “doing a deal” location where technology of it’s time was the best. I wonder where the hub is currently? 

Jane 21/02/22:

At a guess I would say probably somewhere in the virtual world? Maybe they do that shit in the clouds now?. Lmao. 

Laz 20/02/22:

I’m not able to tell if the author is skewing history to his own bent, but it seems that cotton had a far bigger role in the wealth of Britain than I had ever known. I’m skeptical as you know, but it is interesting to read about the history of our country and of cotton production.

One thing that strikes me as odd in all these technological revolutions that are being reviewed here is that they all had a benefit to the average person, steam trains, indoors toilets and bath, electricity, cars, home appliances, yet with the fourth industrial revolution, they are not saying what their product is and it’s being sold on a trust me basis.

Jane 21/02/22:

I would say that technology itself in things like the form of the internet has done the same thing. Massively! 

Laz 20/2/22:

So I’m not sure what they are selling to us with the tenth wave, and I’m not the sort to just trust authority and their say so! 

Jane 21/02/22:

I think if humanity has learned one thing over the past couple of decades…it is exactly that! I am witnessing a mass awakening to the truth, like I say I think it is the coming of the age of truth

Jane 18/02/22

Lesson for the future: the authoritarian state creates the market, which in turn creates democracy  

If this is true i would have thought it is going to take a while for this to come about in such countries? 

Laz 21/02/22:

It’s an odd statement isn’t it, and I mentioned this in my other email. 

Jane 21/02/22:

He mentions the time/era of man finding “Companion” animals of every species described as providing a faithful and loyal companion in an ocean of insecurity and disloyalty ….yeah, caused mainly by the sea of humanity’s own narcissism towards others or maybe personal inner void? I know my dog was extremely important to me as a companion in my solitary autistic like phase 🙂 

Laz 21/02/22:

I remember mine protecting me, I’m convinced that he had a part to play in my security and safety 🙂

Laz 20/02/22:

With his comment about needing everything to collapse into a dictatorship so that good people will rise and reform it as a democracy. I actually really like this idea and it’s one I’ve felt for a while now looking around at the collapse of our “society” so it’s interesting to see it written down.

Jane 18/02/22:

"In 2008 three billion plus people owned a mobile phone, half the planets population. It is now five billion plus"

Quite a contrast to not knowing what was going on in the next street as was the case in the 70s 🙂

"Lesson for the future: many major innovations result from the work of researchers paid out of public funds to look for something utterly different"

This is why although I think the fantasy of space travel to the goal of living on other planets is futile, I get why it is a necessary and important area to be researched as this is how many new innovations are inadvertently discovered.  Not least because i can always correlate what science does with my own inner journey. 

🙂

When he refers to this ninth successive form and things being in place for countries emerging out of recession, more people being educated and everything being in place to reduce poverty, to last for a very long time ..had he factored in the then future of a world wide pandemic and its consequences? I mean things like countries debts have skyrocketed!  I wonder if he factors in things like the climate changing? Oh and has he factored in the idiocracy? 😀 

Laz 21/02/22:

Well not thus far in the book. But then these are just notes on the past the prophetic chapters are still to come.

Jane 21/02/22:

Interesting ….

Laz 20/02/22:

Lesson for the future: The victor in any war is the one who does not wage it.

I’m reminded of this fish scene from James bond!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Olax0vgns

There must be some underlying pattern of human behaviour here, I wonder if this happens in business and relationships too?

Jane 21/02/22:

Well that would make sense especially when you can just stand back and get other idiots to do the fighting for you! Or reap the rewards as a bystander. What I have noticed is how the wars we see are not what we are lead to believe at face value, most of them are proxy wars. Like the way Iran and Saudi Arabia are currently fighting out their Sunni versus Shiites Muslim war in Yemen! 

Laz 20/02/22:

Lesson for the future: The link between technology and sexuality underpins the whole dynamic of the mercantile order

What on earth does this mean?

Jane 21/02/22:

Well if I understand this correctly I would say that over recent years regards this subject there has definitely been a big change going on when it comes to human sexuality and especially where technology is concerned and does seem to be turning into a supply and demand kind of big business, for instance….

Technology is changing the way we live, and a big part of that includes the way we navigate our intimate relationships and sexuality. We’re interested in learning more about how people use technology for intimacy—to connect with potential partners, keep their relationships exciting, or track aspects of their sex lives.

Together with the Kinsey Institute, the world’s premier research organization for human sexuality and relationships, we conducted one of the world’s largest international sex surveys (translated into 15 different languages) to better understand how these technologies are being used, how they benefit their users, and how they might be improved.

Our survey received over 140,000 responses from 198 different countries. The results of the study, conducted throughout June 2017, reveal how people internationally incorporate and rely on technology in their sex lives, dating habits, and sexual education

 So, I would say that technology is having a huge impact on sexuality, and as always in duality both for the positive and negative…

Laz 21/02/22:

On the euthanasia quotes, this has been a long held idea and has been shown in many fictional books and movies, Logan’s Run, or Soylent Green for example. So it’s sadly not a new concept to me, but the mandating of it certainly would be!

Jane 21/02/22:

I got the impression that this was maybe the taboo he hinted at? The way it reads makes it sound plausible that the masses could be lead by arguments into persuasion of thinking that way out of fear for survival, but this is an example of where I find it sorely lacking in any spiritual aspect of a future and lack of overall humanity in ideology. As you pointed out…a handbook for the elite. 

Laz 01/03/22:

Chapter 3
This is more like the stuff I wanted to read, the speculative stuff and I’ve enjoyed reading this chapter.

Jane 09/03/22:

Yeah that was an interesting read and fascinating getting the overall planetary view from Jacques perspective, because I know that I am no expert in this field, on this topic I am simply at the level of a Jack 🙂 

Laz 01/03/22:

Well the opening to this chapter is complete bunk! It smacks of one of those sales techniques where you get people to agree to three things in a row and then they automatically agree with the forth no matter what it is, as they have been bludgeoned about the face with facts and they agree as a means of stopping the onslaught! 

Jane 09/03/22:

Yes I must say I got the exact same feeling so I think I get exactly what you mean. It kind of sounds like sense and so it takes you along with it but only up to a point where the resonation stops and it just don’t sound right. I would say it is experienced as kind of like a “discernment radar”?  like auto-bullshit alert! 😀 

Laz 01/03/22:

As I’ve had a break from the book, I say that evolution is not moving us towards more freedom and channels desires towards buying stuff!

Jane 09/03/22:

Well is that not what the elite want? Convince people that is what freedom is. True freedom comes from having none to few desires. The desireless cannot be manipulated into buying. 

Laz 01/03/22:

Also farmers are not moving into cities!

Jane 09/03/22:

No I do not get that, it did make me think though that I have seen examples of that as a literal thing with cows being “farmed” in America literally in concrete buildings? I mean it looks like cows going around an indoor multistory car park conveyer belt! 

Laz 09/03/22:

Probably very efficient, but weird!

Laz 01/03/22:

And what’s this temporary core now?

Jane 09/03/22:

I am trying to get my head around this term “core” as a concept so when he says this second California core does he mean there is a current California base core that is ruling in L.A and places like Silicon Valley being the core?

To me I can only see this as being the realm of the Tech giants. He says there can be a city within a country with all the power at its core? 

Laz 09/03/22:

That’s exactly right though, it is these companies which have become the modern East India Trading Company!

Jane 09/03/22:

I would say there is that small area with all the power in California. When I first heard of Google and grasped it as a concept I immediately related it to mind/consciousness and saw how it would become the equivalent of the whole collective of humanity as a stored collective consciousness. Like a computer version of the akashic records. on digital record! Jacques says if a new American city were to become the tenth core it would doubtless once again be situated in the neighbourhood of California, so do you think the proposed Metaverse could be a part of this next core? Or would you say that is just a part of the current one? 

Laz 09/03/22:

So it’s only just getting started now, so I would say it will come in time for 2030. That places it as a solid 10th core company. If you want a vision of how it could be, watch the movie Ready Player One, or at least the trailer 🙂

Jane 11/03/22:

The trailer to Ready player one does sum it up. One could already see the virtual world reality as The Matrix. So it is a simulation within a similation. Maybe they are not walking so much with a blindfold on but with VR goggles on? Lol. As Jacques said leisure activity is becoming more time consuming. 

If the Source had a plan for humanity and man knew what it was they would fuck it up! A bit like the GPS satellite system, maybe sometimes man needs to be lead, blindfold. On pure faith. When I say they could be walking blindfold into the metaverse, I mean driven by their own desires and wishes because that is the only thing that can make them feel psychologically satisfied? I know most today could not live without their mobile phones. I mean, happiness is whatever floats your boat! As a perception. If you could chose that boat and preprogram it then who wouldn’t? Maybe that in itself is meant to be? 

In the year 2045, the world is gripped by an energy crisis and global warming, causing widespread social problems and economic stagnation. The primary escape for most people is a virtual universe called the OASIS, which is accessed with a visor and haptic gloves. It functions both as an MMORPG and as a virtual society, with its currency being the most stable currency in the world. It was created by James Halliday, who has recently died. His will left a series of clues towards an Easter Egg, hidden behind a series of three gates unlocked with three keys within the OASIS that would grant whoever found it both his fortune and control of the OASIS itself.

It is all about dominion and control, which is fine if the skills and qualities required to play the game are given to those most worthy I guess. The need to control the world or others stems from a sense of helpless lack of control within. Even lack of control can be a good learning experience, as with previous woes lessons are learned out of hardship. I would never wish hardship on any generation and in an ideal world none would experience such but as humans can become very complacent I think a reminder is maybe needed every now and then that not everything can or should be taken for granted. The facing of a type of adversity that really matters. I know that the less wealthy always seem to come off worse in physical world perceptions but do they in psychospiritually ? There are good times and there are bad it is the pendulum swing of energies in duality. Living a life of no challenge is no life at all? It is in how we deal with them that builds character and substance. The wealthy elite do not experience hardship challenges so maybe that actually robs them of something? Where ones priorities lie? Robs them of their sense of priority, humanity and what it truly means? 

I think that true inspiration comes from the masses and its resilience when it is at its lowest. The inner humans instinctual fight to keep going physically, mentally and spiritually. The ultimate test. I think there are two sides to every situation, e.g. in the temporary phase of food rationing days of our older generation no one starved or became malnourished and there was no problem of obesity! It had to boil down to a case of need not greed and acted like a reset button that probably gave a new appreciation when it was over?  A lesson a lot today maybe need to learn? I believe everything happens for a reason that we can value if the victim mentality can be overcome. Ultimately though don’t humans act and evolve to fulfill God’s plan? 

Jane 09/03/22:

Music will increasingly become the great comforter in the face of sorrow, periods of mourning, solitude, and loss of hope

This resonated with me because I think that music has in many ways always been an important part of the human psyche.

Laz 09/03/22:

Yes, it is particularly important to me.

Jane 09/03/22:

The emotion it can provoke, especially under shamanic like conditions is power in and of itself. We are all affected by vibrations and especially the vibration of sound, from the most basic of a tribal beat to the most powerfully emotive composed song, it has the ability to really move people, in words spoken to the mind to music felt it can have a great effect on a human being and chakra system. I guess you could describe it as being the very rhythm of life. Pythagoras even described a “music of the spheres” a perfectly harmonious music thought by Pythagoras and later classical and medieval philosophers to be produced by the vibration and movement of celestial bodies and spheres but to be inaudible on the earth. I think maybe that is all the hologram is …light and sound vibrations?

Laz 01/03/22:

While the cores in chapter two did not last forever they were far from temporary, so how has anything he has described prior to now lead to these conclusions?!?

This stuff about the EU growing to include Ukraine and it needing a serious threat for it to build  integrated institutions, all seems rather coincidental with what is actually happening around us now! Could this be the first evidence of a prophecy by this guy coming true?

Jane 09/03/22:

Yes I see that too. The EU and its non war only peace stance will have to take in those threatened and act kind of like the sheepdog. 

Jane 09/03/22:

Well it could be? because I have realised exactly what the genuine term prophecy implies and means, like what it is and how it works. I have done it myself. It is not the so called psychic fair level of prediction or assumption but an idea of what may happen using a formula of comprehensive knowledge and understanding of a situation. Then you are in a position to prophesise it because you can literally see it coming. Because your mind is capable of projecting the outcome by putting it all together. You can see a projected big picture over time. So it will be interesting to see how accurate he is. 

Laz 09/03/22:

I find this a very interesting topic, and have some experience myself.

Jane 11/03/22:

Yes it is interesting what is your experience of it? 

Laz 11/03/22:

Probably the Covid nonsense is my most recent example. I had known that this was going to happen since 2013 and when it did, it was a told you so moment. I did my research early on in 2020 into what it was and how it worked and I risk assessed the virus such that I knew it was not dangerous to me, and thus all the hype and fear was overblown bollox.

Jane 11/03/22:

Yes I would say that was a prophecy 🙂 

Laz 11/03/22:

Sure people died of it, but the vast majority did not. When I looked at the reporting of the deaths and learnt that they were counting people who were admitted to hospital for a different reason and died of their issue, but happen to have caught Covid in the hospital and therefore went down as a Covid death I knew I was onto something.

When I learnt that the PCR tests were not a test, and instead were a method of amplification which could be turned up or down, and would even amplify dead cells I knew it was nonsense. When I learned that the Lateral flow tests could not distinguish between flu and coronavirus I smelt a rat, and the worst thing I learnt was that people who were unnecessarily put on ventilators were given a Midazolam sedative, which by it’s very nature suppresses the ability to breath and is used to aid end of life care as well as be part of some euthanasia processes, it all adds up to a scam and I believe I am being slowly proven right, sadly 🙁

Laz 09/03/22:

So for your thinking to be correct (and I have no doubt that it is) Most people are so stupid they can’t actually gather enough of the knowledge to form the big picture and make sense of it, and so couldn’t possibly see what’s coming themselves.

Jane 11/03/22:

Yes because they are limited in conscious awareness, wear blinkers and are unable as you put it to play chess 🙂 

Laz 09/03/22:

Thus someone who can gather and process this information, “the prophecy” comes from a logical next step and there is no magic at all, however to the “blanks” it looks like magic?

Jane 11/03/22:

Exactly, this is how I perceive some sourcerers could maybe use this art to their own advantage to deceive and con the masses who are blind to such things. It would give a sourcerer a great advantage over others.

Jane 09/03/22:

Like an example to me being the idiocracy of the gender situation in countries through sheer ignorance of basic human laws that is so catastrophic to the normal natural order of humans on the planet that it goes against all laws of humanity as we discussed in India and especially China. With a 60 million deficit of females. How did they think that would work? It absolutely blows my mind that so called intelligencia can make such idiotic decisions, all I can conclude is that they just do not see a bigger picture perspective. Short sighted. 

Laz 09/03/22:

I see we are in agreement 🙂

Jane 09/03/22:

You just cannot mess with shit like that! That is breaking the universal natural divine code level of law. I saw that outcome of the consequences 20 years ago and ever since I have just observed. Because that is all I can do.

I have been fascinated by this as a subject and watched every piece of news, information and documentary and so I saw it all unfold into real time creation.

At the same time as thinking, why didn’t they see the consequences, I mean good god surely you don’t need to have to put that into a computer predicted model to even have a tiny guess? But I guess my mind was prophesising it. .. You could say I immediately “saw” the butterfly flap its wings and the outcome energy that would be the consequences on the physical matrix realm for those countries, communities and societies as well as from the individual perspective of the men and the women living in those societies…hideous. But then again maybe that could turn out to be the very reason that will force them to accept more immigration? So you know swings and roundabouts 😀

I think what I get from this stuff he writes is that diversity and inclusion is one of the key required aspects for any future successful country or culture. 

Laz 09/03/22:

For sure there is an aspect of that in the immigration going on all round the world with the movement of one people to another area.

I have two thoughts on this, firstly Politicians and business leaders want it for their pensions, as if there are no new workers coming along their pensions will never be possible and the country will collapse.

Jane 11/03/22:

This is very true. 

Laz 09/03/22:

Secondly with all the diverse humans interbreeding we will (maybe in 1000 years) end up with only one race of “grey people” all across the globe and there will be no diversity at all, making the whole diversity thing meaningless! (although that’s maybe what our leaders want)

Jane 11/03/22:

Yeah that is also true. 

Jane 09/03/22:

Countries that stick to native populations or mentalities are keeping themselves retarded to a point of self annihilation. Like I say in checkmate the Japanese may end up euthanising themselves. Lol. It seems to me that leaders in charge or governments come up with half baked policies that do not to factor in subsequent consequences, like they really do not know how to think anything through? As if they chaotically flap the butterfly wings into action.

If they are credible they will do a u turn on seeing their stupidity pointed out to them. If they are not they just plod on ever further into idiocracy. 

Laz 09/03/22:

Yes, they would not play chess very well!

Laz 01/03/22:

Naturally a strong state political upheaval could change this likelihood

This is that feeling i’ve been having restated again this time with the destruction of the political order in Europe at the heart of the description. I mean we sure need it, the political parties today are shadows of what they used to be, and none of them is fit for purpose. I would love to see a better political process be installed, but not by the money men, or by the existing political reprobates.

Jane 09/03/22:

Yeah I think the political process as with everything has to evolve and gets kicked out as it becomes unfit for purpose. You cannot force anything, not even things like democracy in countries not ready for it, change has to come from within. Funny how the west think war is the answer to freeing other cultures they seem to know or understand very little about. That is why although i think we have good ideological outcomes but i question many of their intentions and motives. 

Laz 01/03/22:

It would have to come from a grass roots movement and be something entirely new. 

Jane 09/03/22:

Exactly! As for any process to be successfully installed, i.e. to work, it has to come from grass roots movement where the people will decide. Even with the very best of good intentions the western powers have tried to force democracy onto backward cultures or 3rd world countries that are just not ready for it. You cannot force anything! And in their own past those same countries have themselves been in that backward mentality state of human evolution. Consider things like women’s rights, public executions, homosexual punishment, child labour, slavery. The Macrocosmic picture now is still a reflection of what most countries/cultures have been themselves in the past as a microcosm.

Laz 01/03/22:

“Individualism will make absolute values of the ego, the self”
I’m not sure what he means but I don’t like this prophetic statement.

Jane 09/03/22:

What does this even mean? Is he implying individualism is the equivalent of selfish self centeredness? I thought it meant independent self reliance? 

Laz 01/03/22:

Best I can guess is that the 80’s selfish yuppie greed is good mindset will return with a vengeance! 

Jane 09/03/22:

Has it ever disappeared? To me the yuppies were the idealistic dream mindset but i saw it as coming from the elite mentality.  

Laz 01/03/22:

I kinda like the idea of tourism becoming a search for peace and quiet, but also fear a world where none is available elsewhere in a 24hr “always on” society where work blends into home life, and entertainment!

Jane 09/03/22:

Yes, I would agree that tourism was a search for peace and quiet as we could visit far off places where we perceived this could be found. In our leisure time but is that part of the illusion of escape for a while? When It is peace at home and within that people crave.

Always looking externally for what we seek internally. So i am wondering is this where the metaverse will come into it’s own? Especially if it can succeed in encompassing the manipulations of sounds, vision, sensation and emotion into a realm of pleasure for an individual’s experience? 

Laz 09/03/22:

I already have a virtual reality travel “game” that allows you among other things to sit among Polar bears somewhere up north and watch the Aurora Borealis while listening to the wind and occasional wolf call!

Jane 11/03/22:

I mean that already sounds like quite an experience and I take it the goal for technology inventors is that it will become more real. Indistinguishable from real life. 

Jane 09/03/22:

If that could be programmed and accessed on demand then I mean surely that is an addiction in the making? The ultimate in the great matrix escape for the blanks maybe? Experienced as instant transportation without the hassle….lol. 

Laz 01/03/22:

 Oops, I think Jacques may have blundered on his transport predictions, rather than people siting in traffic for hours more each week, i perceive the world from the last 2 years becoming more normal and more people will work from home, and have no need to travel anywhere. It’s interesting to me that while this aspect of the pandemic has been touted as a planet saving act by cutting our CO2 emissions, Jacques hasn’t mentioned this at all yet! 

Jane 09/3/22:

Maybe he is talking more globally? In the case of increased traffic, commuting and congestion? I cannot see many people in countries like India or China moving towards a working from home economy. I think the less educated levels of societies have to work harder and longer. I understand the necessity for child labour for peoples very survival in poorer countries. There seems to be a kind of underlying caste system unspoken?    

Laz 09/03/22:

Believe me that you are probably more right than you know. I’ve been reading about the future division between wage earning “essential” workers and “Non essential” Universal Basic Income people earning no wage.

Laz 01/03/22:

The media will enjoy a greater hold over democracy and over citizen choices

This is a very telling prediction, as this is what I have perceived in my life, with not only the news shoving propaganda down my throat, but also the TV and movies containing politics unnecessarily.

Jane 09/03/22:

I can read this two ways as in it meaning a negative or positive thing? The media should do this as a positive as it becomes freer and fairer. Old propaganda will be noticeable, recognised and dismissed. The age of truth will come about with the age of discernment. Media is now so multidimensional incorporating social media and that is how I see humanity changing.  

Laz 01/03/22:

"A universal nomadic object will function as a phone, calendar, computer, music player, TV, checkbook, identity card, or a keychain."

Identity card? This is rather current and one of those conspiracy theories about the vaccine passports mutating into a digital ID!

Jane 09/03/22:

Yes I agree the vaccine passport was a limited version of this but even pre covid, I already saw that nomadic object in the form of the smartphone. It has become an automatic digital ID card just by carrying it. And that has come about by being purely consensual. Or maybe people just do not realise it? I am sure some would have the technology planted directly into their meatbags if they could. As I have said I see the masses of humanity walking into its future blindfold. But maybe they are meant to be? 

Laz 09/03/22:

 I agree with the blindness, but why would this be “meant”? I’m excited to see where you might take this 🙂

Jane 11/03/22:

I tend to have a default position when I contemplate anything going on of maybe it is all meant to be? The question to me being is this just the will of Source. So I have previously made comparisons to the mindset mentalities between the older generations and the younger when it comes to technology. They were paranoid about their landlines being bugged. Lol. as opposed to the almost indifference to data collected in modern technology. I just see it as being walked into blindfold for that reason.

The lack of knowledge or acceptance in technology is holding those without it back in everyday connections and interactions which in turn has made these people the blind ones also. The way we lived yesterday in terms of technology and interconnection with each other and the way we live today in the tech world are worlds apart! Poles apart. We have a perception of what living life should be but who is to say it is right? Who knows what the future in that direction holds? Maybe some do need to be lead almost blindfold via GPS satellite into their future? I mean I was.

Free will aside do the egoic masses really know what is good for them? It could be meant to be because for some that is the path of human evolution? I would have thought that to be able to escape and get respite from circumstances one cannot escape is not a bad thing for some? Even if they are being lead or lured into it? Life is a perspective in its quality.

Laz 01/03/22:

“Products, machines, and people will also be equipped with an identity tag”
Again this idea of individuals having a digital Identity.

Jane 09/03/22:

Yeah they are becoming as identifiable as some sort of DNA sequenced barcode.

lmao. 

Laz 01/03/22:

nomadic ubiquity will reverse its course in about 2030 to become, as we shall see, a kind of hypersurveillance.

Here it is again, more conspiracy theory being predicted ahead of its time. This book is beginning to look a bit more like a blueprint now to me!
He talks about older people insisting on shifting the burden of payment for their services and facilities onto future generations.

Jane 09/3/22:

I do not understand this? What is his perception of older people “insisting on shifting the burden of payment”? How are they insisting? 

Laz 09/03/22:

I don’t hear my parents say such things, nor Ali’s. So maybe it’s in the circles he frequents!

Jane 09/03/22:

This smacks to me of shifting blame through fear and maybe even the beginnings of a rationale for getting rid of the elderly by demonising them. Lol. The beginnings of that mentality of a euthanasia project maybe? 

Laz 01/03/22:

This also appears to be happening now, and the recent pension crisis in the UK will no doubt be driving this, but again this was not known when this book was written so again this appears to be good quality prophecy. Unless of course this is all part of the roll out of a plan!

Jane 09/03/22:

Maybe it is part of the role out plan of acceptable discrimination? Humanity is not about Darwin’s survival of the fittest. The level of humanity within any civilized society can be seen in how it treats its vulnerable. 

Laz 01/03/22:

Countries that refuse to admit foreigners will see population collapse

I’ve been thinking this for many years now with respect to the immigration in the UK that has upset so many. These people are being invited in as a means to prop up the failing population of the natives in this country 🙁 It’s funny how they can’t come out and say this in the news though! It’s not such a bad thing to admit. I guess the only part which upsets me is that there is no vote here, no democracy in effect, the government are simply doing it like a ruler would make a decision on their own, and the people be damned.

Jane 09/03/22:

I think there is a kind of democracy in these decisions but the majority voice or vote comes from the least aware and wise of the masses. Things like age does not always equal wisdom. Respecting and not answering back to ones elders has lost its value when they themselves are unable to evolve. 

Laz 01/03/22:

The latter will in their turn welcome Ukrainian workers, themselves replaced by Russians.

Hmm, this feels very current, maybe sign of “the plan” again when one compares an old book with current world events!

The world will thus become anonymous of their own free will; it will be like a carnival where everyone – ultimate freedom! – will have chosen a new identity for himself

How is this going to be possible given the prior introduction of an id tag for everyone and the hypersurveillance state watching them all? What’s Jacques doing here? Which of these positions is the lie?

energy will be more and more costly, which will encourage consumers to economize by replacing physical movement with telecommunications

Again this is now! We have all done this in the country over the last two years following the covid macguffin! The big plan is looking more like a reality now to me with a virus as it’s trigger, I wonder how far this author will go now, are we gonna read about state backed digital currency next, and how it can be turned off for criminals?

Jane 09/3/22:

This subject I know very little about but I know some states are starting to back it? …

Although it is not a formal term, government cryptocurrency is normally used to refer to a cryptocurrency that has been officially issued or endorsed by a country as legal tender. In 2018, Venezuela because the first, and so far, only nation to issue its own cryptocurrency: the Petro

I was of the impression that Russia are considering it? Looks like it may be their only option? Lol. I don’t really know how it all works. I cannot get my head around it, I know it gives anonymity but I would have thought it would be a money launderers paradise? Due to the energies at play of use and abuse? 

Laz 01/03/22:

It’s interesting that the environment now features heavily in this chapter, not that there’s anything new on offer, just the same old same old, but I wonder why it was not front and centre?

Jane 09/03/22:

Yeah I thought that too that it had not been mentioned up until this point. There is still one aspect that I feel is being discounted in the prophecies of this work. One dimension not being given consideration, as I keep saying ….. the psychospiritual aspect of the human condition. Does Jacques even factor it in or is his mindset, being of the elite mode, not even aware of it? Maybe human emotional intelligence and consideration is different in that class of people? 

Laz 09/03/22:

I’m only guessing and it may yet come up, but I think his type believe that spirituality is weakness and is beneath their algorithms and science!

Jane 11/03/22:

Yeah they are surely missing a whole dimension of the human experience. 

Jane 09/03/22:

In this world and especially when it comes to the elite Its all about the GDP as being the important thing in the measure of growth. Even the masses believing it represents the health and status of a country.  All about the money. This mentality to me being the main problem, we need to factor in by measurement in things like fulfillment, happiness, contentment, less material objective and more mans subjective psycho satisfaction. The worker bees want more time off for leisure, as he says “time” is the only true scarcity. Do you think the universal income thing will come in? could it would work right now or in the future? 

Laz 09/03/22:

It’s already with us, various countries are trialing it including our own. For me it is intrinsically linked to a depopulation effort unfortunately, with those dropping out of the human race not being a part of its future 🙁

Jane 11/03/22:

I don’t know about that? I get what you mean but I wonder if there are some people who just need a bit of a “drop out” for a short time to maybe find themselves in order to become more a part of the human race? Like a sabatical? 

Jane 09/03/22:

Jacques ends this chapter with..

Capitalism will be all the more thriving, more promising, more dominant. Those who have announced its funeral will once again regret those words

He says that as if it is such a great ideology, So

Capitalism, an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state

I just wonder if this mentality too is not in and of itself a big part of the problem? 

Laz 09/03/22:

For me Capitalism and free market economics are fine until you introduce narcissistic scheming humans, who conspire and cheat. If there a way of people being more honest I think capitalism would work fine 🙂

Jane 11/03/22:

I agree with you. But it depends on the product. You cannot run a human service on a business model designed for product services. In health care I have experienced the private sector and the state run and neither was a perfect concept. The state run was wasteful but the for profit was the opposite negligent by not taking the human aspect into account. As you say I think integrity by competent leaders in capitalism is maybe the best way? 

Jane 09/03/22:

Maybe what we need is a brand new system altogether? He does say…

For a long period of time, a core will no longer be necessary to the functioning of the order

Not really sure what this means?  So what is the order? I thought he said the core was the order?

Laz 09/03/22:

I think what he means is that the core becomes out of date and the order, i.e. civilization, moves forward and a new core forms around that. For example the old core of London is no longer, due to the lack of care for cotton goods in the world over something like intellectual data being sold by the tech giants!

Laz 01/03/22:

The financial institutions and the "initiated" who lead them

Ummm, who are these initiated people he writes about? Are they simply the elite or is there something more sinister going on here? WEF, Bilderbergs?

Jane 09/03/22:

I would say the kind of initiated he is referring to are the elite, the ones in the know as to how things work. Maybe the modern day sourcerers? I watch across the spectrum of media and its propaganda and it is clearly evident to me in every country! The same news item twisted to an agenda. I absolutely get why and how propaganda plays its role in conflicts. Within a country and without. But i do find there is hypocrisy on banning media outlets by democratic countries who object to the same. I get it that Russia is spewing out propaganda but I do not agree with the decision to ban RT. I watch all media including RT for that very reason, to identify the shit. 

Laz 09/03/22:

Yeah I use RT.com still to see the truth about our own country’s issues as it is more honest looking back at us from abroad than the BBC is. We suffer as much propaganda in the UK media as we say other state broadcasters make their populations endure 🙁

Jane 09/03/22:

I mean I get that those brainwashed into a rigid perspective by just a TV controlled by their government are limited mindsets due to the lack of being given a bigger picture and so are influenced by bullshit, but it is like they treat everyone as if they are the weakest link. 

Jane 09/03/22:

In some countries aging will be so extreme that the population will actually shrink

When it comes to the population of the planet and the doubling in numbers every few decades it does make you wonder how it can be expected to continue on its current path? How many billion add infinitum can the planet sustain? We breed like rabbits. There are finite resources so need not greed would need to be brought into balance. There is a seemingly miraculously way that nature works In some conditions where the availability of resources for a coming season determines the population born in mammals such as rabbits. I mean how clever can nature be? Who knows maybe that is a law that also applies to mankind? 

Laz 09/03/22:

The only natural law that need apply is that of food and famine, if there is not enough food in an animal population they stop breeding that population and may die out. Then in a time of more food their numbers recover.

This is nature and we should observe this law as it is nature at work. If you want to augment it a bit, then we as humans should try to produce as much food as possible so all are fed but if we are unable then so be it, some will die not through want of trying or through any evil agenda.

Jane 11/03/22:

Yes like natural extinction, in nature you adapt or die. It is called evolution. 

Laz 09/03/22:

What I can’t stand is when some leader says there are too many people on this planet (like they have read the holding capacity on the box the earth came in!) and they decide that they want a cull of the people to bring the population back down, probably because they are fed up with people getting their selfish way.

Jane 11/03/22:

Anyone in a leadership role who thinks that would be a solution is living in fear themselves. I think the elite really do see the masses as lesser human beings. As well as probably a threat on one hand due to their number, but paradoxically also as potential mass consumers. It was the elite mentality that the eugenics mentality came from with fear of the intelligent number being so vastly outnumbered by the plebs.

Laz 09/03/22:

People try this with Badger populations and such, and it causes outrage as it should. Whenever man decides to act as a god he becomes evil.

Jane 11/03/22:

No-one has the insight or wisdom to cull anything except for mother nature. Man in his culling does play god and choses who to cull. In the same way it cannot be done with people. Imagine in their ignorance they blindly culled the energies of all enlightened beings on the planet? The elite would be in the shit! 

It does make me wonder about the British population, before we discovered contraception we had no control over family sizes or planning,  my mum was one of 13 which was normal in those days, If the Catholic church had its way when that contraception became available, things would not have changed. Had nature not been tamed when it comes to having kids in the “go forth and multiply” of the bible….I just wonder how different things would be. we just need a sustainable balance of numbers.

Laz 09/03/22:

We should love each other and try to help one another and if we fail then it is sad but no metaphysical laws have been broken, the intent was good and the will was pure. 

Jane 11/03/22:

Exactly, I agree. At least one can hold their head up. 

Jane 09/03/22:

There are currently enough resources to feed the world several times over but of course that requires cooperation and peace to maintain. Surely the change in climate and weather patterns will dictate crops growing seasons and all agriculture? 

Laz 09/03/22:

Now there’s a subject you and I haven’t touched on yet. Maybe one for later 🙂

Jane 09/03/22:

He talks about the Europeans relying on America and being allowed to maintain their growth without having to devote excessive sums on their air defence….as the “Future” …This whole situation and dynamics began to change, I noticed it first when old Donald threatened to pull the USA out of NATO, because he had a tantrum about them not paying their dues, that being 2% of GDP given over to the purchasing of army and military equipment by all member states. Only 3 members stuck to that agreement, Donald was a business man so noticed that but he is not a great thinker. Lol.  So I can see from his perspective that he had a point but was not realising he was putting the world at risk. This shocked the NATO member states because they had to consider for the first time since Hitler, not having the USA, not having their backs! With a powerful dictator as an enemy. It really is a fight between dictatorship and democracy.

Laz 09/03/22:

I think this is perhaps too simplistic a take on world politics. I cannot anymore consider my country, my people, to be intrinsically “good” and for me to look out at some other country and call them “bad”. I know too much unfortunately about the human spirit.

Jane 11/03/22:

Yeah it is a simplistic take on the ideologies of world politics between two opposing forces. Much as I would put the opposing categories of empath versus narcissist. 

Laz 11/03/22:

Oh, that’s interesting 🙂 I must admit to seeing it as a fundamental polarisation. What other facets do you perceive?

Laz 09/03/22:

So I boil it down like this. We are all tribal, whether that tribe is USA, or UK, or Russia, or whoever. Within the tribe there is a power struggle and bad people can easily make it up to the top of these hierarchies because of their strong will-to-power. It is these people who cause trouble between different tribes, with their posturing and will to take over other tribes.

Tribe A will call Tribe B evil, they will tell the people of Tribe A that Tribe B has committed all sorts of atrocities and build a ground swell of hatred towards them. Meanwhile tribe B is doing the same thing in reverse. At some point the tribes clash and the stronger one prevails. There is no real good in Tribe A or real evil in Tribe B these are simply competitors, and each has it’s own propaganda that it uses to motivate its own people.

So much evil has been conducted in the name of Democracy that it cannot then be what it claims to be.

Jane 11/03/22:

Oh I absolutely agree, democracy is no where near what it claims to be it is a pseudo democracy. 

Laz 09/03/22:

The current backlash against Canada’s Trudeau and his anti Russia comments reek of hypocrisy and no self awareness demonstrating that despite his image, he must himself be evil, or if I’m generous incredibly stupid!

Jane 11/03/22:

I would say Justine Trudeau is like an inexperienced boy in politics with a big ego playing leader. Not evil just stupid! 

Jane 09/03/22:

Without the USA there can be no NATO. Then this Russia business seems to have kicked it all into gear on this very issue. Good versus evil. The rule of law or the rules of the jungle. 

Laz 09/03/22:

I see what you did there!

Jane 09/03/22:

It is a scenario playing out where there is no means to prevent Russian air power with a no fly zone because NATO is only about defense not offence and Ukraine is not a member so sticking by its own rules it can only arm the little guy but it has no choice but to stand by and watch the bully beat him up!

The bully it was created to protect the world from. Putin has basically got them in a lock, by the bollocks! In preventing WW3. But the world has woken up and I believe truth as seen playing out on the world stage will hold the power:) Some companies and countries now seem willing to take a financial hit to do the right moral thing over Russia. I also think this must be making China think twice about doing the same planned thing to Taiwan? But who knows these dictators are bonkers. I bet Vladimir is well pissed that an ex comedian and reality T V personality voted into power in Ukraine is getting seen as the hero in this war when he sees himself as a seasoned leader and great war fairer. I think he underestimated Zelensky and saw him as another Donald character. He underestimated the Ukrainians too. Maybe he underestimated the whole worlds reaction? Apparently even the judo association have stripped him of his honorary position and black belt title. Lol. 

Russian president Vladimir Putin's honorary black belt has been revoked by World Taekwondo, the International Federation that governs the sport, due to the ongoing war in Ukraine 

One of those famous photo ops used for his macho man calendar in Russia along with bear hunting and topless horseback riding. Can you imagine the size of his ego? 😀

I wonder if it is true that he is ill? There is speculations from Parkinson’s disease to cancer, and or undergoing treatment and is in a lot of pain and desperate to leave his legacy for the Soviet motherland? It would have a profound psychological effect and could explain his paranoia about coming into contact with others and catching Covid? But it seems to be just speculation. Maybe nature itself will dispose of him for the overall good and rid that mentality from the world?  I dunno, some men and their manhood? Lmao. 

We were talking about the cop mentality, I just watched them in action in Moscow, cracking down on protesting natives, the intimidation energy was palpable, they look like robotic drone cops just picking out at random anyone, going about their business, they were not even protesting and thus putting fear into people as a warning. With a 15 year jail sentence announced for anyone who does so. He will end up with his own people waking up and rising up. From the consequences of the energies stirred up by his own flapping.

I do know that a lot of stuff just does not seem to register with me when it comes to me, myself personally. It is strangely like “I” do not exist? But I am just wandering again about the significance of this “two witnesses” and  “second woe” stuff ….

When I compare the “good” versus the “evil” it is comparable to the “Christ” versus “Anti-Christ” concept. The closest the world had got to the “experiencing of true “Anti-Christ” energy incarnate embodied was the dictator Hitler. He is synonymous with evil. So I guess that could reasonably be seen as the “first woe” for the consciousness of humanity?

Laz 09/03/22:

I don’t know, WW2 was the last major conflict the world faced, but it was not the first “woe” we have had as a species.

Jane 11/03/22:

I would say that at a more aware level of consciousness of what good/evil is, it was the major conflict. Prior to that conflict was primitive. Constricted to an individual village, town, city or even country but I do not know if such human conflict or struggle was on a global shared level of conscious awareness, until WW2. Before that conflict was like individual wars going on they were not a shared collective experience. Today it is shared in time and within the collective. Hell the press are on now live, on the bloody front lines 😀

Laz 11/03/22:

Yes, it’s like that TV show Drop The Dead Donkey with Damian Day!

Laz 09/03/22:

I like the idea of the 4th turning and how that loop keeps repeating, so while we may be at the 4th turning now again, it’s not the first or last time we will do it as a species.

Jane 11/03/22:

When you say 4th? Can you clarify what you refer to? 

Laz 11/03/22:

https://medium.com/the-price-of-tomorrow/you-have-to-understand-the-fourth-turning-to-take-advantage-of-your-financial-future-6808aa289379

Jane 09/03/22:

This current experience the world is now once again sharing is maybe the “second woe” ? In Revelations these woes are man against things like nature, pestilence or microorganisms. The woes described have been recently experienced and tested man being caused by weather or viruses but I would say they are minor woes in comparison to the big one!  the great fight on the mental realm between good and evil with the ultimate fear that evil will be the winner! and not from the elements but with the greatest threat coming from a/our fellow man. The human mind itself! 

Is this the spiritual battle you were referring to? 

Laz 09/03/22:

Kinda, the spiritual war is more vague in the sense that it is genuinely good vs evil and as I wrote above, I cannot see countries as that any more, I know too much history. It’s just warring tribes.

Jane 11/03/22:

But that is what I think is going on, internally, spiritually within the human mindset. As it is playing out externally in the world. Maybe not on such a genuine level as on the spiritual realm. The individual countries are not intrinsically good or evil neither are the native tribes. 

Laz 09/03/22:

So the spiritual battle starts “within” as far as I can tell and is the only place that decision is pure, and it’s how a person becomes polarised, and unfortunately in my view an indifference or a refusal to pick as side is as evil as choosing that side itself, as it allows evil to spread unhindered.

Jane 11/03/22:

Yes  when one lives in duality in the matrix realm I agree, an apathetic, could not care less indifference could be seen as evil. As in being complicit by inaction.  And even whilst the mind is going through the internal spiritual process of the good versus evil archetype the choice is a consideration.

Laz 09/03/22:

Then groups of people of one bent or another gather to do something greater than the individual can. When groups become movements its getting muddled and there is infighting as the structure itself contains both good and evil now. If those movements become nations, there are unfortunately as many saboteurs in leadership roles as there are good people, so I would argue that decisions which are carried are somewhat random at this level and illogical.

Jane 11/03/22:

Isn’t it strange that happens when groups gather together, it seems to become more cultish in behaviour with an egoic battle for supremacy that itself ends up as good versus evil. It seems that more than two members automatically turns into a cult. Decisions are only logical when they come from rational balanced minds. 

Laz 11/03/22:

There’s a lot of truth in the idea of “two’s a company, three’s a crowd” 🙂

Laz 09/03/22:

So for one of these nations to declare another nation evil and go after them may in itself be an act of evil because of the hearts of those people claiming goodness. 

Jane 11/03/22:

Sorry can you clarify, you lost me 🙂 

Laz 11/03/22:

it’s a famous Mitchel and Webb Sketch: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvpvlT9pJU

Jane 09/03/22:

I guess you could say the same thing for our own inner path with this being the ultimate archetype to overcome for everyone. It all corelates, symbolically. But I have pondered on what is currently ongoing and try to put an adequate describing word onto what I perceive the collective of humanity is currently going through as a similar shared collective fear of that evil mentality having great powers again. The only adequate word I would use to sum it up would be “woe”! 

Laz 09/03/22:

I can certainly agree with that statement. 

Jane 09/03/22:

And it seems to be a phase like thing, it has been having it’s own period, duration of time. I can only conclude that this is what could adequately be identified as a time of woe. But the evil will not win this time either 🙂

Laz 09/03/22:

I would suggest that what our species is going through is a global dark night of the soul, again! I think another dark age is coming if it is not already on us.

Jane 09/03/22:

I think that amongst the sleeping masses it is exactly this kind of situation by which people could be awakened, or at least become more aware by the psycho trauma? The world certainly changed and came together in more cooperation following that first woe. 

The Anti Christ energies bring out the true Christ energies, its a natural counter action of evil. Maybe this time even overcoming it once and for all? Like the Great reset button.? 🙂 

Laz 09/03/22:

I think as long as we are a split species (split by greed vs altruism, or narcissism vs empathy, or Sith vs Jedi) it will always go around and around!

Jane 09/03/22:

But what are the “witnesses”?  Are they simply those who “see” truth as it is, through glass clearly with open eyes? So maybe we are just “watchers” in all of this?  Or are we? Because does that equal no interference?

Laz 09/03/22:

I don’t consider myself as such, no. I’m a journalist/philosopher. I want to make sure things are documented 🙂

Jane 11/03/22:

But is that not the same thing as a watcher? The witnesses record? I mean obviously one is also the experiencer. Or maybe we meant to be prophets? Lol. Are they different to witnesses? 

Laz 11/03/22:

 I guess it all comes down to definitions we each have 🙂

Jane 09/03/22:

I do not have control over that. Because I do wonder if there was some significance in my dream? Or even the thoughts I have? Or conversations we have? I do have a standpoint of indifference because my mind just does not judge or take sides but maybe at times when my mind is in action/functioning under Source will,  I am not always in neutral?  I dunno? 

This actually makes my curiosity during our recent conversations on “recruitment” and my question about who is doing the “requesting” or even the “willing” , deepen even further  🙂 I have also just recognised the fact that the last time we talked about this you said….

I mean, there is an obvious connection between us and the two witnesses, but can you imagine if we are they? god help everyone :D

I was curious but never did ask you to elaborate on exactly what you meant by that:) 

Laz 09/03/22:

I mean if you can take the seriousness of the bible and the deep responsibility of those witnesses of old, then look are our attempts at summing things up, I’m sure we could not be taken seriously by our fellow humans. My work is niche and remains niche, I do it for future generations of people in my percentile and they will never be the majority!

Jane 09/03/22:

But yeah, I saw Hitler as the psychopath that he was, but Putin is like the kiddy version in comparison to Adolf,  as I said small man syndrome. He does not want to rule the world he is just a bully who wants all of his playground back. And Putin will have scored the ultimate own goal because every country, especially the ex USSR are going to be desperate to join the EU and NATO. Basically democracy versus dictatorship. The playground politics will change for him. 

This is the great fear of the current Chinese ruling party. Why the dictators are paranoid and the larger the country of masses the more paranoid they have to be. You cannot rule the people by fear and control, but only by cooperation of the grass roots of free and fair elections.

A lesson for the future, the dictatorships are still yet to learn 🙂 Unless of course you lock them inside your lair like the North Korean dictator, lol. But he is on a very different level. He is not a psychopathic level either, he is a bit of a joke to be honest. Puppet dictator. His people were pre- prepared for him and therefore allowing for him to believe he had great controlling powers. The people were programmed, born and raised inside his lair. But I think the worlds curiosity in psychoanalysing the effects of dictatorship on the masses is going to be on overdrive when there is free access to the minds of his prey! Lol.

Do you think war is just a part of the human mindset? I know that it is self survival but man seems to be very war programmed in The Matrix realm, If only he knew his main war is within! Fix what is broken within to do the same without. 

Laz 09/03/22:

Until every person finds peace within, yes

Jane 09/03/22:

War would not even be a consideration to be given amongst the enlightened so I guess that is a good indication of the contrast in calibre of the human condition. Lower to higher levels in the evolution of consciousness.

Jane 09/03/22:

Japan. "Unless it plays host to more than ten million foreigners or manage to boost a birth rate already in decline, its population will shrink. Although it is exeptionally well placed to dominate future technologies, from robots to nanotechnologies, Japan will not succeed in making individual freedom its predominant value" 

As we said it may succeed in turning the inhabitants into robots themselves! Lol. 

Russia could rediscover a better demographic equilibrium and use part of its oil income to foster its development...and in 2025 it's GDP should overtake those of Italy and France"

Russia has never used its income to foster anything but the oligarchs so I do not see where he gets that idea from? And now even more so, Russia’s course has drastically changed.    

The world will thus be increasingly filled with people who have become anonymous of their own free will; it will be like a carnival where everyone - ultimate freedom! will have chosen a new identity for himself

nearly one billion people will live elsewhere from their native cultures

Does this mean escaping ones own cultural limitations or identities? Mass migration? 

Laz 09/03/22:

Don’t know, it seems to be a paradox. See the next chapter for Hypersurveillance!